You are so right:Delicanadabc wrote: Does the kit come in black, cuss if there is any chrome on there you know flexibo won't like it!!!![]()
![]()
![]()
![]()
![]()
Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
Moderator: BCDelica
-
fexlboi
- Posts: 1671
- Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:28 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://dinoevo.de
- Vehicle: -
- Location: -
- Contact:
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
-
captainkurt
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:18 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
- Vehicle: none yet
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
Hey guys, let us know how this works. I am curios to hear what Delica owners have to say - this concept really intrigues me.
Cheers,
Cheers,
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
delicat wrote:I'll take pics for you Guamdoc but for now just curious what's your take on the following:
You suggest mounting the nozzles pre-turbo and at the intake but on your site they either don't recommend it (pre-turbo) or that it's very difficult and would require reducing the fuel delivery (intake)
Pre-Turbo water
"We don't recommend this location at all if you do not have the proper equipment such as the proper nozzle, nozzle size and high pressure pump. Locating the nozzle here is the most controversial location. The majority of alcohol/water injection users do not use this location. One reason for someone to inject at this location is the water/methanol mixture chemically alters the turbo compressor map. The water/methanol injection will dynamically shifts the compressor map of the turbo so that it has the compressor map exhibits the characteristics of a larger turbo. This sounds great but, the main issue with pre-turbo nozzle placement is what mixture can damage the compressor blade if the mixture is not properly atomized when passing through the turbo.
In order to inject pre-turbo with out compressor damage you need a high quality low volume nozzle and high enough pressure to get the water as finely misted as possible, and the smaller nozzle which allows for smaller/finer water droplets. We recommend you mount the nozzle as close to the compresser as possible."
So, can we expect compressor blades damages or the D01 will provide the required atomization?
Intake manifold
This location can be the most complex area to install. Usually requiring that he intake be removed for access. Injecting here is going to yield the largest water/methanol droplets. And with the closer proximity to the combustion chambers is going to provide a larger amount of mixture into the cylinders. Doing this usually requires more fuel from the factory system be removed. This option is best for max cooling.
The water here is being injected in a manner much like port fuel injection and it is the bigger water molecules being injected here that have a more direct effect of in cylinder cooling and injection here has more of an effect of altering the flame front of the combustion charge in a way much like a higher octane fuel. To take full advantage of this nozzle location it is suggested that trimming away some of the factory dumped fuel be done. In other words, in order to take advantage of the better properties of water over fuel for cooling and injecting water at this location, you want to remove the dumped fuel and actually REPLACE this with water. This injection point with a pretty sophisticated WI control method allows for the most advantageous use of water injection. The drawback for nozzles located heres is kit/component complexity, install complexity, additional labor, possible machine shop costs, and possible additional parts costs.
You must carefully read that first sentence in the pre turbo section.
It means you can't do this with a 50psi pump, using a 10gph nozzle ect, We have the proper equipment designed just for the highest possible atomization.if you do not have the proper equipment such as the proper nozzle, nozzle size and high pressure pump.
The second part about injecting at the intake manifold mostly applies to gas engines. You do not need to pull fuel like they do to get air fuel rations correct for max power. You should mount your nozzle right before the rubber connector / hose on the intake or just after the intercooler if you have one.
Only pic I have

-
Delicanadabc
- Posts: 216
- Joined: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:49 am
- Vehicle: Super exceed 91
- Location: Vancouver BC
- Contact:
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
Sweet! Due to a minor mix up with the address for the order, I was able to get in my order placed with your too. I got a feeling that you will work out all the kinks while I am away... Can't wait to see the results.
A huge thanks to all who made this possible!!!
A huge thanks to all who made this possible!!!
Last edited by Delicanadabc on Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- FalcoColumbarius
- Site Admin
- Posts: 5983
- Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:55 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/index.php?cat=11103
- Vehicle: Delica; Chamonix GLX ('92 P25W)
- Location: North Van, BC, eh?
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
You guys have to document the installation and results of this endeavour and post it.
Sent from my smart pad, using a pen.
Seek Beauty...
Good Ship Miss Lil' Bitchi
...... Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare. ~ Japanese Proverb
Seek Beauty...
...... Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare. ~ Japanese Proverb
- delicat
- Posts: 2331
- Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:26 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
- Vehicle: '92 Exeed '93 Safari '94 Pajero
- Location: New Westminster, BC
- Location: New Westminster, BC
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
Sir, yes sir!FalcoColumbarius wrote:You guys have to document the installation and results of this endeavour and post it.
'93 Nissan Patrol
'94 Mitsubishi Pajero

"If it ain't broken, modify it!"
'94 Mitsubishi Pajero

"If it ain't broken, modify it!"
- Profister
- Posts: 963
- Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:41 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
- Vehicle: 1999 PE8W Chamonix, EFI
- Location: North Vancouver, BC
- FalcoColumbarius
- Site Admin
- Posts: 5983
- Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:55 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/index.php?cat=11103
- Vehicle: Delica; Chamonix GLX ('92 P25W)
- Location: North Van, BC, eh?
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
OMG.... Is that origami?
Sent from my smart pad, using a pen.
Seek Beauty...
Good Ship Miss Lil' Bitchi
...... Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare. ~ Japanese Proverb
Seek Beauty...
...... Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare. ~ Japanese Proverb
- mararmeisto
- Posts: 3276
- Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:00 am
- Vehicle: 2018 Ram EcoDiesel
- Location: Dartmouth, NS
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
And why is he saluting with the left hand? 
JPL
I still miss my '94 Pajero!
I still miss my '94 Pajero!
- Golf Cart
- Posts: 857
- Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:57 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
- Vehicle: 1992 Exceed
- Location: Maple Ridge
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
FalcoColumbarius wrote:OMG.... Is that origami?
No, Its the new INVIRO-SOLDIER. Made with 100% recycled products. The grenade is really a re-cycled juice box filled with shards from plastic milk cartons.
By the time you realize that my signature has no real message or life altering words of wisdom, you're too far into it to stop reading until you are finished
- Profister
- Posts: 963
- Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:41 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
- Vehicle: 1999 PE8W Chamonix, EFI
- Location: North Vancouver, BC
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
Because he is RHD.And why is he saluting with the left hand?
- mararmeisto
- Posts: 3276
- Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:00 am
- Vehicle: 2018 Ram EcoDiesel
- Location: Dartmouth, NS
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
Now, that's a good one.Profister wrote:Because he is RHD.And why is he saluting with the left hand?
JPL
I still miss my '94 Pajero!
I still miss my '94 Pajero!
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
Anyone started on the install yet? Just checking.
-
fexlboi
- Posts: 1671
- Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:28 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://dinoevo.de
- Vehicle: -
- Location: -
- Contact:
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
Still waiting for your package to arrive...guamdoc wrote:Anyone started on the install yet? Just checking.
- Profister
- Posts: 963
- Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:41 pm
- Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
- Vehicle: 1999 PE8W Chamonix, EFI
- Location: North Vancouver, BC
Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ
The package was cleared in customs in Toronto on Feb 24th.
