CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby RichD » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:44 pm

The safety and emissions FUD is a distraction from the real issue. Its about consumer choice.

Private interests lobbying government to create artificial barriers to consumer choice is an manipulation of our legislative system, something Canadian's do not have a taste for. By focusing on that you take the steam out of CADA's lobby. Put the stink on it and the MP's won't touch it.
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby mararmeisto » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:32 pm

glenn wrote:And they stopped importing diesel smart cars in 2008 - they're all gas now.

...with bigger engines and more cargo space!
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby Chewy » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:10 pm

If you aren't informed on this, please check out the FAQ section at IVOAC. I like how far we've come though. It used to be that one of these Hearst inspired pieces of literary tripe would get the average Joe riled and ready for a RHD witch hunt. But now it seems that even though most of the informed replies are being made by RHD owners, there are more accepting replies by the general public too.

I like the guy who named himself something like "thinking man" yet unless he's comparing himself to an inert piece of french artwork, his name is about the most clever thing about him.
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Postby Profister » Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:25 pm

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby Pajerist » Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:05 pm



I am concerned indeed. We need to come up with well written clear response and send everywhere is possible.
Info provided in that article is blatant lie. For example,
“Recent years have seen a dramatic increase in the number of right-hand vehicles in Canada.” Richard Gauthier, president and CEO of the Canadian Automobile Dealers Association (CADA), said

In fact the number of RHD import has been decreased last years...

The sticker on the picture says "I am a patriot but not a sponsor of LADA" (Russian monster automaker)
How about to design, print out and spread our sticker "I am a patriot but not a sponsor of CADA" (or Big Three or whatever to better reflect our position)?

Will post at IVOAC, I think we need to unite our efforts ASAP...

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby RichD » Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:03 pm

Regarding my earlier post about forming a BC non-profit, interest is too low. Dropping off this thread.

Good luck!

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Postby thedjjack » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:28 pm

Did anyone go to journalism school?

We need a story of how many North American cars have had major recalls that CADA represents. It could start of with the story of the Pinto where Ford decided that they would rather payout for lawsuits then fix the problem because the math meant that paying out for deaths was cheaper then fixing the cars. Or the fact all NA auto makers fought against seat belts (no one in government was going to tell them how to fix cars).

Then it could tell of the shear number of safety related recalls and secret warranties (Lemonaid Book covers these well).

Then it could talk about European and Asian safety requirements. Finally, the simple questioning of the ICBC biased study.

If the CADA cared about safety then they would start with fixing their cars first. Bring up the BIG three executive bonuses and recent bailout. We need to throw mud.

I think most of the newspapers are just buying the pre-written story. Someone write please "right" the story....

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby mararmeisto » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:37 pm

I find it interesting from those news articles (actually article, because it's the same one in two places) that the only 'outcry' against RHDs was from five years ago, in another country. "Hey everybody, those Russians are real upset about cars from Japan, and, well, ya, you should be too. 'Cause they're different. The cars. Well the Russians are different too, but I want you to think about the cars because you didn't buy it from us. CADA. We're the guys with the dealers interests in mind."

Not the customer. Notice how on their webpage they don't talk about how the consumer is going to be happy about having bought a new car from one of their dealers.

And what about the used dealers who are part of that organisation? Or the provincial counterparts? What about the used dealers who belong to those organisations and who sell RHDs? Good enough to take their annual subscription fee from, but you know, not really 'one of the team' because of those cars they sell.

Just another couple of thoughts rattlin' around in my head...
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby Profister » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:23 pm

Paul: I am not sure where you got an idea about an anti-RHD outcry in Russia because I understood it being completely opposite. Russians are fighting against a RHD ban; they not only talk, they run protests on the streets. The majority of Japanese imports are located in Russian Far East and stopping these imports would be a disaster for the region.
Here are some positive news: http://www.wheels.ca/Specials/article/783439
Just posted on IVOAC: http://forum.ivoac.ca/showthread.php?t=3708
We need more articles like these.
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby Profister » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:30 am

Here are some useful resources.

To our reputable JDM dealers: read THIS.

Everybody else should go HERE and HERE

Here comes The Canadian Business Journal:
http://www.canadianbusinessjournal.ca/business_news/canadian_business_news/27_10_auto_dealers_push_has_right-handers_up_in_arms_10.html

And finally the righthanddrive.ca blog:
http://www.righthanddrive.ca/blog/
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Postby elbosque » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:15 am

RichD wrote:Regarding my earlier post about forming a BC non-profit, interest is too low. Dropping off this thread.

Good luck!

I am one of the founding members of the IVOAC National Committee and am one of the volunteer mods there now. I have seen commitment and participation at IVOAC go up and down depending on the threat level. So Rich, I know it can be very frustrating. But we can't just say we are dropping off when it is something we believe in.

I am positive that forming an association is were we need to move to. There is lots going on but it is not being coordinated or planned in a strategic and comprehensive manner. Currently we have our issues being discussed, debated and actions planned in multiple forums. We have one foundation in Quebec for an important legal battle. We have a good blog out of Winnipeg. We still have CAVI up and running (that was news to me) And we have one dedicated import forum/informal organization - IVOAC - with over 1000 members. But, their is no official unifying body to promote and fight for our common concerns.

I think the lack of interest, as you call it is people saying that they don't have the time to commit. In my experience, it is much harder to get volunteer time than money. However, we do need 5-10 people with the skills and time to create a national organization (federally incorporated) - not just BC or Quebec or Ontario. I know of businesses and people who are ready to join and donate money for the fight.

So, why am I not putting my name forward? I don't have the time considering my health right now and my other commitments. I can't be one of the key people or even one of the board members because I know I can't do what is needed. Perhaps this question and drive for volunteers needs to move out of the political section and be sent to everyone on the various import/rhd forums to consider.

Ideas? Suggestions?

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby Roodman » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:21 am

There's a lot of talk about the difficulty of passing on the left and the need to drive as close to the center line as possible. Hmmmm.....you know the inverse is true though - it's much safer in a RHD vehicle to gauge your distance to cyclists, pedestrians and parked cars. The cycling groups and such may be supporters of the RHD vehicle. I'm pretty certain that if statistics were gathered comparing the number of accidents involving the right hand side of vehicles with cyclists, etc that they would show interesting data on both the number of accidents and serious nature of injuries to the unprotected cyclist / pedestrian.

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby glenn » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:30 pm

Graham Miner gave us this gem of a safety concern for RHD vehicles passing other vehicles: (from a cbc online article)

Graham Miner, registrar of motor vehicles in P.E.I., said the major concern with the vehicles is safety. . . .

"Just for example, because you're on the opposite side of the steer lane, your blind spots are different. If you go out to pass, you have to pull the whole vehicle out to look beyond the vehicle in front of you to see if it's safe to pass."


Come on . . . has this EVER happened? It's like putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger to see if the gun is loaded or not!

The sad thing is, once it's been said, most people accept this kind of pap as a legitimate concern.
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby Profister » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:04 pm

I am sure you will be pleased to read THIS
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby Pajerist » Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:49 pm

Profister wrote:I am sure you will be pleased to read THIS


I love it! Thanks for good find!


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