Coolant gurgling / scooter purchase

Does your Mitsubishi L300 make a strange noise? Need wheel alignment specs?
User avatar
nxski
Posts: 3268
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:27 pm
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
Vehicle: 1991 Delica L300 Super Exceed
Location: Coquitlam
Location: BC, Canada
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by nxski » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:57 am

Firesong, that's tempting, but how would I confirm if it's a gasket or head without removing everything anyway?

Psilosin, I hope it int the same for you, especially after all the other troubles you've has.

Glenn, if I'm looking at $3000 with all of those extra repairs (which I would probably do as well), would it not make more sense to spend an extra $1500 for a brand new engine? Also, I have a friend who imports near new engines from vehicles that were written off in Japan. He said an engine would only cost about $400. He's also suggesting I replace the engine and tranny in favour of more power. He seems to think it could be done relatively easily.
Live the life you love, love the life you live...

Had: 1991 Mitsubishi Delica L300 SuperExceed, heavily modified (totalled by a drunk driver)
Have: 2011 Acura CSX manual, lightly modified
Want: Mitsubishi Pajero Evo

http://nes-design-construction.com
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/nicolas-spurling/46/b48/924

Nicola Spurling

User avatar
glenn
Posts: 661
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:18 pm
Vehicle: 93 L300/97 L400 Jasper
Location: coquitlam
Location: coquitlam
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by glenn » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:45 pm

Yes, it's good to look at all the options. Doing just the head, etc, made sense for me at the time. If you have a lead on parts from Japan, and the time to sort it all out - then yes, of course. It also depends on your long term plans for your van. How much might a new engine increase resale, if that is in your future plans. I'm not so sure a more powerful engine/tranny combo would be "easy" though. I know it's been done, but usually by dudes with the ability to DIY.

Psilosin - bummer.
Glenn
http://www.vurv.ca

L400 and L300 consoles
Image

User avatar
Firesong
Posts: 1363
Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:03 am
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
Vehicle: 1998 L400 Delica Chamonix
Location: Saskatoon
Location: Saskatoon, SK. Canada

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by Firesong » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:09 pm

In regards to your question.
Doesn't matter if it's the head or the head gasket. It will fix the gap.
Do read through the website. They have proven it's use in the old
Cadillac Northstar which have horrendous problems and the cost to
fix is even more scary.

They have 2 options.
Is there water in the oil? Then package A
No water in oil then package B.

They have a video on there showing it sealing up an old jeep
with massive head failure. Very cool to watch

Im all for throwing $3000 into a vehicle. Wait.. no I am not.
After seeing it work in that Surf I would do it in my own vehicle
myself in a second. Our thoughts were:
1: My friend is broke
2: What is $200 if it really works
3: It's only $200
4: Damn it's only $200

It worked.

I wish there was a solution for the IP pump in his Surf that wasn't going to
cost and arm and a leg :) It's leaking diesel like it has a hair lip.

User avatar
nxski
Posts: 3268
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:27 pm
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
Vehicle: 1991 Delica L300 Super Exceed
Location: Coquitlam
Location: BC, Canada
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by nxski » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:18 pm

I have no intention of ever selling my van at this point in time. If my friend was willing to do the work and could give me a firm quote I might go that route. I'm all up for the $200 repair, just from skimming the site on my phone, I thought it was just for gaskets. I'm not sure I understand how anything could be done without pulling the head, but I'll have to read more when I get home.
Live the life you love, love the life you live...

Had: 1991 Mitsubishi Delica L300 SuperExceed, heavily modified (totalled by a drunk driver)
Have: 2011 Acura CSX manual, lightly modified
Want: Mitsubishi Pajero Evo

http://nes-design-construction.com
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/nicolas-spurling/46/b48/924

Nicola Spurling

User avatar
Firesong
Posts: 1363
Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:03 am
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
Vehicle: 1998 L400 Delica Chamonix
Location: Saskatoon
Location: Saskatoon, SK. Canada

Coolant gurgling

Post by Firesong » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:22 pm

Summed up. After the rad flush the solution goes into the coolant passages and gets into the 'hotspots' created by cracks in the gasket and head or block. The second solution hardens the first into a ceramic creation. Apparently the guy who came up with the stuff is or was a teacher at some teaching institution and decided to make a go of it. The ceramic solution is incredibly hard.

When you have access to a computer checkout the whole website.

User avatar
nxski
Posts: 3268
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:27 pm
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
Vehicle: 1991 Delica L300 Super Exceed
Location: Coquitlam
Location: BC, Canada
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by nxski » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:33 am

I talked to Butch about that ceramic option, and he said it works well as a temporary fix, but there's no telling when it's going to go again. He recommended replacing the head if I'm going to be keeping the van for a while (which I am). His prices were a bit higher ($2200-2600 for just the head, not the assembly) because he uses the original parts instead of the ones from Taiwan which he doesn't trust. I asked if there is any other work that could be done while he's in there and he said no, because the other important items are on the bottom end. He also thinks I should be fine to drive it for a couple weeks, until I can have it repaired, and that it would take a couple days to finish. I also asked about driving with the rad cap off, and he said that's not a problem, but I will lose the same amount of coolant either way (I'll be topping up with water when it does run dry).

Now to see if that friend is able to help me out with importing an engine and/or doing the work.
Live the life you love, love the life you live...

Had: 1991 Mitsubishi Delica L300 SuperExceed, heavily modified (totalled by a drunk driver)
Have: 2011 Acura CSX manual, lightly modified
Want: Mitsubishi Pajero Evo

http://nes-design-construction.com
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/nicolas-spurling/46/b48/924

Nicola Spurling

User avatar
glenn
Posts: 661
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:18 pm
Vehicle: 93 L300/97 L400 Jasper
Location: coquitlam
Location: coquitlam
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by glenn » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:08 pm

In my case, there was a very direct relationship between the amount of coolant I lost, and if I had the rad cap on or not. If I put the cap on, the coolant basically blasted out into the overflow and onto the ground as soon as it warmed up. Other drivers would even notice it while I was driving at highway speeds, and I was constantly adding 2L or more of coolant. With the cap off, the problem almost completely disappeared. I would need to top it up a little, but much less. Maybe this was an idiosyncrasy of how my head failed - but if you are noticing heavy coolant loss, you might try it.

P.S. I know we all love CVI - but do shop around.
Glenn
http://www.vurv.ca

L400 and L300 consoles
Image

User avatar
nxski
Posts: 3268
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:27 pm
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
Vehicle: 1991 Delica L300 Super Exceed
Location: Coquitlam
Location: BC, Canada
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by nxski » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:25 pm

I don't think mine is quite as pressurized as yours. It hasn't squirted out any coolant and I'm only losing about 1.5L/150km. Where would you suggest looking? I don't like RSI because of some horror stories I've heard, the fact that they use so many Korean parts and their attitude every time I've spoken with them on the phone. Japanoid and Lauren are out for obvious reasons, Werners charges roughly the same labour as CVI, but parts are more expensive. I'm happy to shop around, I'm just not sure where else to look locally. Like I said, I will be checking with that friend, so that may turn into a smokin' deal if it works out.
Live the life you love, love the life you live...

Had: 1991 Mitsubishi Delica L300 SuperExceed, heavily modified (totalled by a drunk driver)
Have: 2011 Acura CSX manual, lightly modified
Want: Mitsubishi Pajero Evo

http://nes-design-construction.com
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/nicolas-spurling/46/b48/924

Nicola Spurling

User avatar
Rising Sun Auto Import
Posts: 1366
Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:45 pm
Vehicle: dealer#31128, L400 super exceed
Location: New Westminster, BC
Location: New Westminster, BC
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by Rising Sun Auto Import » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:22 pm

nxski wrote:I talked to Butch . He recommended replacing the head if I'm going to be keeping the van for a while (which I am). His prices were a bit higher ($2200-2600 for just the head, not the assembly) because he uses the original parts instead of the ones from Taiwan which he doesn't trust. I asked if there is any other work that could be done while he's in there and he said no, because the other important items are on the bottom end.
The thing is 90% of Mitsubishi 4D56 cylinder head are manufactured in China, and under 10% are made in Korea for Hyundai OEM or aftermarket demand .
There’s no Taiwan manufactured 4D56 head in the market.
4D56 from UK, ebay? All are made in China. I am not gonna say Chinese heads are not good.
Of course, some are in good condition I believe.

Just make sure you are not ripped off.
So check out if cylinder head box for you has original Mitsubishi packaging and there are any recycling parts for your job. :-D

Steven :M
Rising Sun Auto Import Inc.
L300 & L400 Front Windshields in Stock

Delica Injection Pump Rebuilt, Cold Start & Engine/Turbo Work Specialist
Unlimited source for new & used parts
Image

User avatar
thedjjack
Posts: 2025
Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:13 am
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/forum/ucp.php?i=164
Vehicle: 1989 L300 HITOP!!
Location: Port McNeill
Location: Port McNeill
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by thedjjack » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:52 pm

no easier engine than an inline 4 (ok flat head is easier) to swap a head on... should take 2 days most first time.... really is not that hard... buy head install... make sure cooling system is 100%

User avatar
nxski
Posts: 3268
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:27 pm
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
Vehicle: 1991 Delica L300 Super Exceed
Location: Coquitlam
Location: BC, Canada
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by nxski » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:04 pm

thedjjack wrote:no easier engine than an inline 4 (ok flat head is easier) to swap a head on... should take 2 days most first time.... really is not that hard... buy head install... make sure cooling system is 100%
Yeah, that's if you have 2 days off. :-D I won't have more than a couple hours a week free until the end of April.
Live the life you love, love the life you live...

Had: 1991 Mitsubishi Delica L300 SuperExceed, heavily modified (totalled by a drunk driver)
Have: 2011 Acura CSX manual, lightly modified
Want: Mitsubishi Pajero Evo

http://nes-design-construction.com
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/nicolas-spurling/46/b48/924

Nicola Spurling

User avatar
thedjjack
Posts: 2025
Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:13 am
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/forum/ucp.php?i=164
Vehicle: 1989 L300 HITOP!!
Location: Port McNeill
Location: Port McNeill
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by thedjjack » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:10 pm

you making $1000+ a day? easy fix....plus your young you do not need to sleep.

User avatar
nxski
Posts: 3268
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:27 pm
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
Vehicle: 1991 Delica L300 Super Exceed
Location: Coquitlam
Location: BC, Canada
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by nxski » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:03 pm

Some days I can make that, but even if I'm not, I'm running a ski store and have to show up no matter what. Tuesdays are my only day off and I have those as well as my evenings booked up with reno's. I've been averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night because I have school, marketing for 7 companies, 2 volunteer jobs and 3 other companies I run. I'm also in the middle of buying an apartment and try to maintain a tiny bit of a social life. If I did magically have time in the evening, I have nowhere to work on the vehicle, and can't be without it for more than a couple days.

See where it gets tricky? :-D
Live the life you love, love the life you live...

Had: 1991 Mitsubishi Delica L300 SuperExceed, heavily modified (totalled by a drunk driver)
Have: 2011 Acura CSX manual, lightly modified
Want: Mitsubishi Pajero Evo

http://nes-design-construction.com
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/nicolas-spurling/46/b48/924

Nicola Spurling

User avatar
Firesong
Posts: 1363
Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:03 am
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/Photos/
Vehicle: 1998 L400 Delica Chamonix
Location: Saskatoon
Location: Saskatoon, SK. Canada

Coolant gurgling

Post by Firesong » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:41 am

Just had to reply. In sure butch has never done the ceramic option. In their testing it's been said it can actually improve the spots on a brand new head that had came with micro hairline cracks.

But that being said it's your beast.
Best to fix what ever problem it is.

User avatar
thedjjack
Posts: 2025
Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:13 am
Member's Photo Album: http://www.delica.ca/forum/ucp.php?i=164
Vehicle: 1989 L300 HITOP!!
Location: Port McNeill
Location: Port McNeill
Contact:

Re: Coolant gurgling

Post by thedjjack » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:10 am

3 hours sleep!!! what too much!!!

I think because you are keeping it pour in the magic stuff and fix it in april...lets see if it works

Post Reply

Return to “L300 Technical”