GLOW PLUG rant **&^%$#@!

[jessef]

We already developed new 11V self regulating control system in my shop

I didn't know you guys are electrical engineers and do development in house locally.

[Artie Fufkin]

When we have a problem at early model control system, people tend to install manual switch.
IMO, it would be a good idea if you try/set up self controlled system from other source other than manual switch.
We already developed new 11V self regulating control system in my shop to replace those manual switch/ faulty 6.2 V system.

Steven

Steven,

Could you please elaborate on this? Sorry if it was covered in another thread.

- why would it be an 11v system instead of 12v?

- how many have you guys installed and what has been the result?

- cost of hardware?

- can it be installed by someone handy with a soldering iron?

- does it require a specific glow plug or are there several it will operate properly with?

Look forward to the information, thank you.

Artie

[jessef]

There are several options.

Manual operation.

Take the original ECU and either have it rebuilt or replaced with a rebuilt one.

Or an aftermarket ECU like Rising Sun's. Just note that and aftermarket ECU is equivalent to an aftermarket manual/auto glow plug system = they are not made for the original spec. so buyer beware.

Here is the link: http://www.delica.ca/forum/replacement- ... -7418.html

Keep in mind, his product has components made in Japan but he is also saying it's made in Korea and is only warrantied for 3 months. Take that with a grain of salt. If you do go for it, ask about their policy is it fries any of your other components (battery, glowplugs, solenoid).

Personally, I would not install an aftermarket ECU unless it came with a warranty to that would cover the electrical system it replaces.

[Rising Sun Auto Import]

When we have a problem at early model control system, people tend to install manual switch.
IMO, it would be a good idea if you try/set up self controlled system from other source other than manual switch.
We already developed new 11V self regulating control system in my shop to replace those manual switch/ faulty 6.2 V system.

Steven

Steven,

Could you please elaborate on this? Sorry if it was covered in another thread.

- why would it be an 11v system instead of 12v?

- how many have you guys installed and what has been the result?

- cost of hardware?

- can it be installed by someone handy with a soldering iron?

- does it require a specific glow plug or are there several it will operate properly with?

Look forward to the information, thank you.

Artie

We definitely answer for your inquiry later this afternoon after work.

Thanks.

Steven

[Manitoba deli]

I recommend the new 11V system (that Steven sells) to people here in Manitoba. If your old system is working fine, keep it, but when the 6.2V system starts to fail, I have found the most cost effective solution for the long run is updating it to the new 11V system. It is as close as you can get to the factory system in the newer l300s (this is my opinion of course, take it for what it is worth). There have been too many instances where new glow plugs, even factory mitsubishi ones, didn't fix the problems. Replace the 20 year old electronics with new aftermarket electronics, and use affordable glow plugs. I like it, I recommend it. It works well for Manitoba winters. Haven't had any issues with aftermarket ecu affecting the rest of the vehicles electronics. But that is only my experience.

Jason

[Rising Sun Auto Import]

We already developed new 11V self regulating control system in my shop

I didn't know you guys are electrical engineers and do development in house locally.
Or an aftermarket ECU like Rising Sun's. Just note that and aftermarket ECU is equivalent to an aftermarket manual/auto glow plug system = they are not made for the original spec. so buyer beware.

Unlike me ( I have a economics/law double major ),our two mechanics have electrical education background here in Canada, one of them is a certified power engineer.
Not a problem for electrical work ( all power group for delicas, ECU control system analysis, etc ).

Thanks for your concern anyway.

Steven

[Rising Sun Auto Import]

When we have a problem at early model control system, people tend to install manual switch.
IMO, it would be a good idea if you try/set up self controlled system from other source other than manual switch.
We already developed new 11V self regulating control system in my shop to replace those manual switch/ faulty 6.2 V system.

Steven

Steven,

Could you please elaborate on this? Sorry if it was covered in another thread.

- why would it be an 11v system instead of 12v?

- how many have you guys installed and what has been the result?

- cost of hardware?

- can it be installed by someone handy with a soldering iron?

- does it require a specific glow plug or are there several it will operate properly with?
Look forward to the information, thank you.

Artie

Hi all,
I'd like to reply to OP's questions like below.

- why would it be an 11v system instead of 12v?
**In the glow plug control system, what kind of resitance the controller does supply electricity to the glow plug? This will be the answer.
Our delica has a 12V system. Why do we have 12V, 11V or 6.2V glow plugs according to model year? The answer is resistance value that each glow plugs have. Because of the resistance, we have a voltage drop.
All power group ( wiper motor, door lock, starter motor, connector , etc ) are a kind of resistance in view of whole electric system. Resistance is a heat.
Therefore The reason we have a 11V system is we have different control systems based on resiatances from the system.

- how many have you guys installed and what has been the result?
** Generally our customers have been very quiet in this forum. But they have raised issue if our service level do not meet their standard.
We developed this new system 2 years back and we installed appro.35 customers so far.
I’ve never seen any complaint for this service in this forum or other source.
We import and sell only 11V Hyundai OEM GPs.
The key to understand the logic behind glow plug control system is 'CURRENT' not the voltage. The range of current going through glow plugs on Delica L300 (1991 - 1993) is (80A to 40A). If you measure the current going through Hyundai glow plugs on the same model year, the range is (60A to 40A). This means, the glow plug warm up time is much slower than 6.2V ones.
However, the most important thing is that there is no overheating problem. Hyundai ones have 'built-in resistor' (variable resistance versus engine temperature) to prevent overheating.

We don’t carry 6.2V and do not want to sell anyway as all aftermarket ones are really bad ( Only Mitsubishi OEM GPs are only exclusive solution ).
But unfortunately Hyundai never had 6.2V system in their 4D56 diesel engines ( porter, starex, Libero, Grace, Galloper ), because they knew all defects for Mitsubishi 6,2 V system when they made 4D56 diesels in Korea.

- cost of hardware?
- can it be installed by someone handy with a soldering iron?
** Unfornately we do not sell hardware ( ECU ) itself as we need to modify/install in current 6.2V system.
Our new system does not disturb 6.2V ECU anyway as we strongly believe it has something to do with other functions in early models ( still studying ).
Our total price has fluctuated ( $299-$499, except set of glow plugs ) depending on the season, promotion, what part we need, etc.
Usually we consider replacing 1 pin sensor, 2 pin sensor, relay in addition to replacement ECU.
It takes appro. 3 hours to finish.
We install it only at my shop.

- does it require a specific glow plug or are there several it will operate properly with?
** I don’t know the price/quality of any other glow plugs sold by other importers here.
But I used to use some brands before importing Hyundai 11V GPs ( 3 years back ).
But I was disappointed with those products all the time.

Our first delica with Hyundai 11V GPs installed ( 1993 late model L300 ) is still running with those.
We have lots of testimonials for Hyundai 11V GPs’s efficiency and excellent starting in severe cold area.
Thanks for reading.

Steven

[Pajero]

We already developed new 11V self regulating control system in my shop

I didn't know you guys are electrical engineers and do development in house locally.

Wow I know I like to have everyone's feedback and solutions to my problems.....he wasn't trying to sell anything here so I guess you have to find something else......

[jessef]

It's a compliment bro.

[Rising Sun Auto Import]

Here are some old threads/debate we may have to read.

http://www.delica.ca/forum/glow-plugs-again-9412.html

http://www.delica.ca/forum/hkt-glow-plu ... 10081.html

Steven

[Pajero]

It's a compliment bro.

Sorry I took it as a sarcastic comment, my bad then lol

[jessef]

no worries.

It's comical when something is made in three different countries. Originally Korea, later Japan and then Canada.

It is good that there are alternatives which is what this thread spawned.

For the amount of pre-1993 Delica's out there in Canada, it's a tiny percentage of one's that have ECU problems. For the rest, they are happily moving along from south to northern chill. Repairing them is as normal as many north american vehicles that have the same IC/cap/resistor blowouts on their ECU's. Same deal, difference vehicle.

I chose the manual route so I can give the plugs an additional shot in the winter months for that quick start up and to eliminate an electrical part.

[shuggyss]

So, a few months ago my van was doing the hard start. Glow plug relay wasn't working. Especially if it was slightly cool and moist out. Mmm, sound a little like our Vancouver winter/spring/early summer. So I would have about 30 seconds of cranking and finally she would go with a big plume of white smoke and shuddering as she warmed up. Then one day I saw a Rising Sun . I had the new 11v glow plug system installed. I dropped off the van on Friday night and picked it up at lunch on Saturday. They even installed what I call the greengo light on the steering column (green LED that goes out when its ready to start). I have not had a problem since. The van sat for a month in the cold and wet after I had a surgery and kicked over without a hitch.

My problem was rectified in a very timely manner and with an assurance if anything is wrong to bring it in. I would highly recommend this change to your glow plug system if you are having the same sort of problems I was. It was cost effective and the service was great. Thanks Steven and The Rising Sun crew.

[Rising Sun Auto Import]

So, a few months ago my van was doing the hard start. Glow plug relay wasn't working. Especially if it was slightly cool and moist out. Mmm, sound a little like our Vancouver winter/spring/early summer. So I would have about 30 seconds of cranking and finally she would go with a big plume of white smoke and shuddering as she warmed up. Then one day I saw a Rising Sun . I had the new 11v glow plug system installed. I dropped off the van on Friday night and picked it up at lunch on Saturday. They even installed what I call the greengo light on the steering column (green LED that goes out when its ready to start). I have not had a problem since. The van sat for a month in the cold and wet after I had a surgery and kicked over without a hitch.

My problem was rectified in a very timely manner and with an assurance if anything is wrong to bring it in. I would highly recommend this change to your glow plug system if you are having the same sort of problems I was. It was cost effective and the service was great. Thanks Steven and The Rising Sun crew.

Thanks, shuggyss
Our new system definitely helps you start your 1992 L300 very easily in cold weather.
It can be applied to all delicas with faulty 6.2V super quick glow plug control system or delicas with manual switch installed.
Check up is free of charge.

Steven

[mararmeisto]

Have you changed out any Pajeros? I've got a '94 that I've never been happy with the glow cycle, but I'm wondering if it can be done. I know the glow plugs work, but the initial charging sequence is VERY short and it seems to rely on a booster glow for the first few minutes of driving when cold.

No problems whatsoever once engine is warm, only when cold and cycling the ignition start doesn't seem to help much (because the initial sequence is so short).