Bypass Oil Filters

[fexlboi]

robinimpey after using the system now for quite some time, how do you like it?
How often do you change your oil and the regular oil filter?
Do you see any filtered particles in your toilet paper?
Anything you would do differently?

[Mr. Flibble]

fexlboi I second that! I am quite interested in this mod and the long term results. I looked at the other "simple" filter option from http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/ but they are significantly more expensive.

I would love to know how this Frantz filter has been performing long term.

[fexlboi]

fexlboi I second that! I am quite interested in this mod and the long term results. I looked at the other "simple" filter option from http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/ but they are significantly more expensive.
I would love to know how this Frantz filter has been performing long term.

robinimpey is still an active member, but I guess he/she does not see the most active posts nor the PMs I sent.
In the end I as well as Delicat bought a Trabold filter. We'll report once we have our oil tested after the usual interval.
http://www.delica.ca/forum/trabold-filt ... ht=Trabold

[robinimpey]

Hi guys, sorry for the late reply. It's been over a year now since I put on the Frantz filter and while there are lots of reports that people just keep changing the filters and do not change their oil I'm not quite there. What I have opted to do is change filters ever couple thousand kms and then change oil (synthetic) every 15,000-20,000 (about once year for me). I haven't had my oil tested but I do know how oil, particularly in a diesel, looks after you've gone a little too long without changing it and mine looks good even though it is obviously black.

[fexlboi]

Hi guys, sorry for the late reply. It's been over a year now since I put on the Frantz filter and while there are lots of reports that people just keep changing the filters and do not change their oil I'm not quite there. What I have opted to do is change filters ever couple thousand kms and then change oil (synthetic) every 15,000-20,000 (about once year for me). I haven't had my oil tested but I do know how oil, particularly in a diesel, looks after you've gone a little too long without changing it and mine looks good even though it is obviously black.

Why not just get a test done and change the oil and filter when it's really needed?
Btw: There is a PM waiting in your inbox.

[robinimpey]

robinimpey after using the system now for quite some time, how do you like it?
How often do you change your oil and the regular oil filter?
Do you see any filtered particles in your toilet paper?
Anything you would do differently?

Sorry fexlboi, i see that I didn't answer all your questions. I quite like my new filter system as it is for sure saving me money and is very easy to change the filter with not too much mess. I like the place I decided to mount the filter although there are not lots of options. Haven't noticed any filtered particles in my toilet paper..............for my van anyway. Nothing I would do differently other than maybe have the oil tested to find out just how well its really doing.

[Mr. Flibble]

I noticed that on "That Site" (Why does everyone say this instead of ebay?) That there are some NTZ oil bypass filters (discontinued model G26) for sale for $14.99 + shipping. The seller also sells the filter elements, a pack of 12 is $60. This would last a VERY long time, in the order of years.)

From what I can tell of my research, this is a paper-towel filter element. The size of the filter element is 88 X 280 mm which I discovered by some creative googling. When I measured a roll of paper towel I got... 90 X 280 mm. The only piece not included would be the rubber O ring. Which, I suspect could be reused.

So, this appears to be a standard paper towel oil bypass filter. The drawback is that this seller will not ship to Canada. :(

The upside is that this filter is major overkill for a Delica! Probably has about 3X the filter distance of the Frantz filter (which, I believe is an excellent filter). The filter can also be mounted in any orientation. If this guy did ship to Canada I would pick one up now for when I get my L400. Maybe I will get one shipped to a customer in the states and pick one up when I am down on business...

Here is a link to the filter element themselves:

http://www.kramp.com/shop/action/itemca ... lement+NTZ

[Drumster]

"Information" section on the We-filter-it site tells an interesting story about the Co's history but the site's devoid of any useful information for an actual shopper. It's really unfortunate that they don't have a better, more detailed & informative web site because IMO, that's the most valuable investment they can make and is what will generate business. Evidently they're working on it but their current site is pretty much useless and I'm sure it's losing potential customers - such as myself.

I've decided that a bypass system is what I want but frankly, I'm having a hard time finding anything definitive on the web which will guide and assist me through to a sale.

I'm ready to buy. I have a 1994 Mitsubishi Delica Spacegear with 2.8 litre 4M40 diesel engine. I like the idea of Amsoil but the site is lacking on decision making info. There seems to be an assumption that the reader is already fairly knowlegable; which I'm not. It would be really cool if they had things set up to tell potential buyers exactly what info is needed in order to select the correct parts for ordering etc., and to explain basic installation info.

Amsoil? Franz? Is there anybody out there? My oil's getting dirty. As I said, I'm ready to buy.
PM me.
Cheers!

I've been doing some research on these after a co-worker put me onto them, and they sound like a great add-on. Just wondering if anyone out there has any prior experience or feedback.

Here are a few links to follow:

http://www.jackmasteroilfilters.com.au/
These guys seem to be quite reasonable in price $120 AUD, but they are all the way in Aussieland. I'm waiting for a response for more details.

http://www.kleenoil.ca/index.htm
Kleen oil are a bit higher priced but available locally. $400 CAD .

http://www.wefilterit.com/index.htm
These guys appear to be the original real deal, available locally and still not badly priced. $200 US. The best part... the filters are toilet paper rolls . Waiting for more info from their Canadian distributor too.

https://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?groupID=54
Then there is the Amsoil kit. $170 for the unit and about $36 per filter.

http://filtrationsolutionsww.com/video.html
This is a good promo video, but it has alot of good info in it as well.

There are others out there, but from what I've found, these seem to be three of the best options. If anyone does more research or has input, add away.

[Firesong]

For the Frantz kits is there a canadian source?

Which of the kits available from Frantz fit our application

Thanks
FS

[robinimpey]

I bought filter from Les Colman who is a Frantz dealer in Calgary. les_coman@yahoo.ca It came with all the necessary fittings and hoses and was not a complicated install.

[BCDelica]

Drumster, it's been a dozen years but I have had a couple of vehicles with the Amsoil system. Then it was a case of; best vehicle fitment choices, high quality bypass filters and at reasonable price. Amsoil always seems to lack with good technical information, some of there first long term wear metal analysis (passenger vehicles) was provided by me in the early nineties. The results were pretty good, my 84 Toyota van had a Amsoil system installed after a year. Oil changes were every 10K - 15K km, and when the vehicle was sold with high 300K km's the oil drained out like new. Punched a rock into the oil pan (N Van Isle backroad) at around 250,000 km+, and the shop was impressed with the spotless inside, dented oil pan. The Campbell River Toyota shop didn't believe me that it'd never been changed.

I was a big fan of placing the oil return on the valve cover, seemed like a nice thing to do for your valve train.

[Drumster]

Thanks for the info BCDelica. I contacted an Amsoil dealer in my area and he said the kits come with instructions, (although I wouldn't be able to install myself as I'm in a high-rise condo.) I'm sure I could get a mechanic to do it though. The guy recommended the smallest kit/filter. He also mentioned that the outlet line is tapped into the bottom of the oil pan ... sounds kinda' funky to me but I guess if it works, it works.
When you say your return line feeds (I mean fed)... back in via the rocker cover, was that different from the stock instructions? It does seem like it would be good for the valves. Did it ever present a problem... as in too much of a good thing?
Cheers!
T

Drumster, it's been a dozen years but I have had a couple of vehicles with the Amsoil system. Then it was a case of; best vehicle fitment choices, high quality bypass filters and at reasonable price. Amsoil always seems to lack with good technical information, some of there first long term wear metal analysis (passenger vehicles) was provided by me in the early nineties. The results were pretty good, my 84 Toyota van had a Amsoil system installed after a year. Oil changes were every 10K - 15K km, and when the vehicle was sold with high 300K km's the oil drained out like new. Punched a rock into the oil pan (N Van Isle backroad) at around 250,000 km+, and the shop was impressed with the spotless inside, dented oil pan. The Campbell River Toyota shop didn't believe me that it'd never been changed.

I was a big fan of placing the oil return on the valve cover, seemed like a nice thing to do for your valve train.

[Mr. Flibble]

Thanks for the info BCDelica. I contacted an Amsoil dealer in my area and he said the kits come with instructions, (although I wouldn't be able to install myself as I'm in a high-rise condo.) I'm sure I could get a mechanic to do it though. The guy recommended the smallest kit/filter. He also mentioned that the outlet line is tapped into the bottom of the oil pan ... sounds kinda' funky to me but I guess if it works, it works.
When you say your return line feeds (I mean fed)... back in via the rocker cover, was that different from the stock instructions? It does seem like it would be good for the valves. Did it ever present a problem... as in too much of a good thing?
Cheers!

You can also put the oil return directly into the oil filler cap, which to my mind seems to be a better idea as you can see the flow rate of the filter simply by unscrewing the cap and watching it fill down the engine. This would have the same effect as mentioned of helping the valves, and, reduce the risk to your oil pan.

[Drumster]

Hmmm, the plot thickens... I've been reading more and learning a few things as well as catching some details I'd missed before. The Amsoil dual bypass makes even more sense than just the straight bypass, as it would obviate the whole issue of needing a bash plate due to the vulnerability of the L400's stock oil filter. Amsoil offers a number of adapters for mounting the dual kits but unfortunately, they don't have one in the L400's 26 X 1.5 mm size.
Anyone have any bright ideas?
I wonder how difficult & expensive it would be to have one made...
Cheers!
T

[Mr. Flibble]

Hmmm, the plot thickens... I've been reading more and learning a few things as well as catching some details I'd missed before. The Amsoil dual bypass makes even more sense than just the straight bypass, as it would obviate the whole issue of needing a bash plate due to the vulnerability of the L400's stock oil filter. Amsoil offers a number of adapters for mounting the dual kits but unfortunately, they don't have one in the L400's 26 X 1.5 mm size.
Anyone have any bright ideas?
I wonder how difficult & expensive it would be to have one made...
Cheers!
T

I was looking for the same thing. I had been looking at oil filter relocation kits, they exist for other JDM cars, so there should be something (I hope!) for a L400.