Drumster wrote:Hmmm, the plot thickens... I've been reading more and learning a few things as well as catching some details I'd missed before. The Amsoil dual bypass makes even more sense than just the straight bypass, as it would obviate the whole issue of needing a bash plate due to the vulnerability of the L400's stock oil filter. Amsoil offers a number of adapters for mounting the dual kits but unfortunately, they don't have one in the L400's 26 X 1.5 mm size.
Anyone have any bright ideas?
I wonder how difficult & expensive it would be to have one made...
Cheers!
T
I was looking for the same thing. I had been looking at oil filter relocation kits, they exist for other JDM cars, so there should be something (I hope!) for a L400.
Do you mean you've been looking for a kit or the adapter? There's no question they make the kits... https://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?code=BMK23-EA
But as I mentioned, we'll need adapters because these kits completely eliminate vehicle's original oil filter and attach to motor in place of original.
I've e-mailed Amsoil for advice and will post their reply here when I get it.
Cheers!
Drumster wrote:
Do you mean you've been looking for a kit or the adapter? There's no question they make the kits... https://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?code=BMK23-EA
But as I mentioned, we'll need adapters because these kits completely eliminate vehicle's original oil filter and attach to motor in place of original.
I've e-mailed Amsoil for advice and will post their reply here when I get it.
Cheers!
Sorry, I meant the adapter. One of the first things I was looking at was this:
Because I want to be able to read oil temp, pressure, and have the oil bypass filter. However, with more research I noticed the filter relocation kits as you mentioned, and that seemed like a better idea. So, my ideal would be to have a relocated oil filter adapter, oil bypass (Frantz), Oil Temp and Oil pressure gauges.
You might ask why I would want those gauges, but I can tell you the oil pressure gauge has come in pretty handy on my 4Runner. I figure I might as well have oil temp while I am at it for the geek factor. :)
I installed my Trabold bypass oil filter on my "other" truck. This filter is the one that Fexlboi posted a while back.
As you all know, as soon as you do an oil change on a diesel the oil goes black in no time, within the day anyway. Well, it's been 3 weeks since the Trabold's install, mostly city driving and I can happily report that my oil still isn't black, a mix of brown and clear. Very very surprising!
I'm also using Amsoil synthetic 15w40 which is suggested to be changed on a diesel every 10,000km instead of 5,000...
Anyway, just a happy customer! I'll let you know more once the km's pile up...
A Frantz rep replied promptly to my e-mail. I had asked about their adapter which allows for a similar set up to the Amsoil dual bypass where oil is fed directly from the base of the existing filter seat via an adapter. That way the system needs no other ins/outs. It's basically a specially machined ring that's installed at the base of the stock filter which then feeds to & from the Frantz filter. Unfortunately, as with the Amsoil dual by-pass, the ring/adapter is not available in our size (26 x 1.5 mm)... at least not from Frantz - still waiting to hear back from Amsoil.
The Franz rep indicated that getting one machined wouldn't be a big deal though. Also, the standard Frantz installation would still work fine without any adapter but would require installing a "T" to divert oil to Filter and then feeding back in via filler cap or oil pan etc. Nothing wrong with that but I'm hoping to go with the least invasive method.
At this point, for my purposes, the Amsoil dual looks best because as I mentioned previously, it will not only do the job but will at the same time completely relocate both filters out of the vulnerable stock location under engine. The main issue would be finding a good spot to mount it.
The other thing is that while I'm sure the Frantz is very effective and that replacement rolls are inexpensive, one does have to change those filters more often (1500 -2500) than with the Amsoil. Not only do I not want to change oil filters in a camp ground in the middle of a holiday but as I live in a condo, changing my oil & filters at home isn't an option either. That leaves me with going to a shop - an expense I try to minimize. So the longer I can go between changes the better.
Haven't heard back from Amsoil yet on an adapter for their kit but hopefully they'll have good news or a good idea. Their BMK23 kit is similar to the "Frantz + adapter sleeve" in that the stock (hi-flow) filter is run in tandem with the by-pass filter. The key difference is that the Amsoil allows remote mounting of both.
jfarsang wrote:I had the amsoil dual bypass kit on my Pajero.
Well worth the inital cost IMO.
Going to put one on the Delica as well when I get the chance. Not enough time to do anything !
So it sounds like you had the BMK-23 kit and your hi-flow filter was relocated away from the stock location? What did you use for the ring/adapter part? Amsoil evidently doesn't currently offer an adapter for our 26 x 1.5 mm size (4M40 engine), which I expect was the same for your Pajero.
They do have a 22 x 1.5 mm and I wonder if it could be drilled out & re-threaded in the larger bore. I've seen a photo of the adapter but couldn't see the inner workings etc. Do you recall its construction and how you went about installation and do you think simply resizing Amsoil's 22 mm adapter would work?
Cheers!
Amsoil has replied...
My question: "Re: Adapter for mounting dual bypass BMK-23. My imported Mitsubishi has thread size 26 x 1.5 mm, a size which you do not list for your adapters. I haven't physically inspected one of your adapters so don't what it entails. Will it work if I buy part # BK 299 (22 x 1.5 mm) and then simply drill & tap it out to 26 x 1.5 mm? Is there any reason why this wouldn't work? Thanks."
Amsoil's answer: "Drilling and tapping will void the AMSOIL warranty, but if you feel comfortable doing this, my suggestion is to order the 20 x 1.5 mm adaptor kit, BK 298 to be sure there is enough difference in ID to be able to re-drill and thread the adaptor."
So there you have it. Amsoil's 20 x 1.5 mm adapter will then need to be carefully drilled out to .9646" or a #41 bit and re-threaded with a 26 x 1.5 mm tap, which are readily available.
I/we have a solution!
Hmm, that is a good idea... except I want to use the Frantz filter and not the AMSOL one! :(
However, the idea about drilling and retapping makes perfect logical sense, so there must be other options. But, maybe I will have to go the AMSOL route in this case if there are no other solutions.
I think the tapping would work just as well on the Frantz product too. But hold onto your hat; are you sitting down? I got a price today from Ackands for the M22 x 1.5 tap... $140.00!! (Plus 15/16" drill bit. Plus tax.)
But between the Frantz & Amsoil buyers, maybe a few of us can gather 'round the campfire and pool our resources and take turns using one tap. For an item that's needed just once per vehicle, it's pretty hard to justify that kind of dough.
I'll first check around for a tool rental place to see if any of them carry that particular tap.
Just ordered my Frantz
Should have it here for friday.
Looking forward to putting it on and seeing if the oil can
be something other than black.
Last day of ice fishing here in Saskatchewan.
Well this was a day or so before that.
Had to post a pic.
Firesong
p.s. notice how the ice looks like it's been thawed into
chunks and refrozen? Kinda freaky. Gets a person a little
nervous with +15 weather.
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I said, go on shore and take a picture in case something spectacular happens. Nothing did. The little stream around the edge of the ice wasn't .. well dangerous :( Some spots the ice was pretty thin at the edge.
Would it not be safer to use the carwash??? Hope all goes well with your install. I just picked up a pyro guage at a closing shop sale so once the garage gets cleaned out and raised up 8"....
If at first you don't succeed , get a bigger hammer.
Anyone used the Jackmaster Bypass Filter system on the Delica? It is pretty much identical to the Frantz but made in Australia. I recently ordered a kit for my Surf and the owner mentioned that they are working on a M24x1.5 adapter to fit Surfs/Landcruisers etc....maybe they would also make a M26x1.5 to fit the Delica if enough people emailed about it.
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This weekend I will be installing my filter unit.
Funny enough my dad has a look at the frantz and
says, 'i used to sell these, as well - so did your uncle'
Sheesh.
Anyway the only other thing he said was to be careful
in the cold because sometimes if they collect a lot of water
then might be prone to freezing. At least having the
tissue paper freezing won't hurt anything since it doesn't
block the system. Only diverts oil from the main throughput.
I could see that being a problem with an engine such as
my old VW. You would get moisture buildup in it, simply due
to the lack of warming up in the winter.
Anyway, weird how people chime in when you don't expect it.
psilosin wrote:Anyone used the Jackmaster Bypass Filter system on the Delica?
Haven't used it but seriously considering. I'm a big fan of all things Aussie. Lived there for seven years and loved the never die attitude towards problem solving and ingenuity. Makes for great products.
(Plus 15/16" drill bit. Plus tax.)
