Propane injection & Bypass oil filter

[jessef]

With a Delica you'd only need a 1lb or 5lb tank for the small 2.5L engine.

You can mount either tank under the rear where the spare tire is if you're worried about location.

Here is the link to the propane injection system I was referring to :

http://injectionperformance.com/store.htm

It's called the Powershot 2000 and has been around for a long time. It has a proven track record and is considered to be the best PI system and the safest.

It's $650 and you just need to install the tank.

I wouldn't trust an eBay special although it may be just fine.

I know about the Powershot sys and have seen it in action on two vehicles (above) running for over 240,000 combined km's and going strong.

[lopar]

HHO vice HOH for your searching....... remember, the HHO and propane are not supplements, just catalysts to burn more of the diesel in the chamber. Industry is looking into hydrogen for more vehicles getting the hydrogen from the diesel fuel itself

[nxski]

I think that Hydrogen power is really only going to be beneficial (on a large scale that is) if no fossil fuels are needed. For example the Honda Clarity is a big step in the right direction. One moving componant in the engine, there are tons of ways to get Hydrogen and unlike electric vehicles you don't have to wait for it to recharge. Imagine trying to drive from here to Kelowna and having to stop 3 times along the way to recharge for 5 hours each time.

If you could implant the engine from a Clarity into the Delica all would be right in the world

[K-Factor]

I would personally go the route of water/methanol injection. For a few hundred bucks, you are guaranteed lower Exhaust gas temps and increased power, as well as extremely low input costs. You can even use straight water in warm weather. Install is simple, and some models even come with their own turbo and EGT gages built into the controller. You can also use this on a gasoline engine, although the turbo applications are where the results are most noticeable.

Check out http://www.snowperformance.net/products.php?p_cat=259


Just my thoughts.

KSY

KSY

[konadog]

A couple of years ago there was a big kerfuffle on here about the water injection system and a few people bought and installed them - Seems to me that only one guy reported his thoughts on the system after it was installed and that was that he didn't notice any difference... Anyone else have any solid, personal evidence with their delica that any of this stuff really makes a difference?

[jessef]

I would personally go the route of water/methanol injection. For a few hundred bucks, you are guaranteed lower Exhaust gas temps and increased power, as well as extremely low input costs. You can even use straight water in warm weather. Install is simple, and some models even come with their own turbo and EGT gages built into the controller. You can also use this on a gasoline engine, although the turbo applications are where the results are most noticeable.

Check out http://www.snowperformance.net/products.php?p_cat=259


Just my thoughts.

KSY

KSY

Opposite actually. Using propane injection you are guaranteed "lower Exhaust gas temps and increased power, as well as extremely low input costs" and better fuel economy.

Water/meth injection is variable so much that the increase in one application can be substantial while in another application can be so minimal that it's not worth the effort/money.

With propane injection, considering you're getting a good 20-30% horsepower increase and 10-30% better fuel economy, $650 is easily swallowed up in fuel savings in a short period of time.

[psilosin]

There are a number of documented users that have installed water/meth kits from Devils Own with good results on the Toyota Hilux Surf (2.4L Non-intercooled turbo diesel)...but not nessassarily the results expected. Installation of the misting emmitter pre-turbo gave big power gains BUT tended to quickly destroy the turbo impeller (from some portion of the water condensing in the intake pipe then hitting the fins as a big drop instead of a fine fine mist). Installed after turbo gave big reductions in intake temps (and exhaust temps) akin to having an intercooler, but direct power increases were minimal (although indirectly...lower temps do allow for adjusting the fuel setting to allow more fuel thus ending up with more power...). One other claimed benefit was that the water injection helped keep engine internals clean. Do not recall any claims of increased fuel ecconomy with any water/meth setup.

Not sure a post-turbo water/meth system would be worth it on an L400...already has an intercooler and the EGTs are pretty low in most driving (at least that I have witnessed...usual highway ~600oF, my max is 1000oF going up a big hill trying to hold 100kmh). And I wouldn't even risk a pre-turbo setup having seen the results on the Surf.

As for propane injection it sounds cool but after a number of years of combing forums I have never found any long term commentary...lots of posts like this one talking about how cool it 'should' be, a few posts with fresh installs and happy drivers (power increases sound reliably dramatic)...but never any comments on a system installed 50,000km ago and how the engine has held up etc. Thats what I want to see before going down that route.

[naterade]

This propane-injection process is really intriguing! I am always in favor of boosting power and saving fuel.

Has anyone on this forum installed a PI kit on their Delica?

Would this be work for a specialized technician, or are the kits 'bolt-on' and fairly simple to install?

[jessef]

John's 80 series cruiser has 137,000km's since the PI and Dave's Hilux surf has 97,000km's since his PI install.

There's four 5.7L cummins ford trucks in cowtown that my friend uses for his hauling business and combined they have over 900,000 km's on propane injection.

There is no question that it works and works well.

The 'question' people have is the belief that it will blow up your vehicle and everything inside it.

On all PI systems there should be a regulator to make sure the tank does not get over filled. That is about the only problem you would encounter but I've never heard of it happening except one rig that was a DIY job about 5 years ago.

There are two Delica's running propane injection in BC I think for 3 years and going.

One install was done by ecoshot and there other the powershot from the US.

The powershot 2000 kit is a simple install. If you want to tweak it, that should be done by a pro shop.

[FredVenne]

Alright alright…

Propane seems to be an excellent option, water\methanol not so good… I was wandering about hydrogen. The reason is because there is a special at mileageshop dot com, for a complete system with lifetime supply of electrolyte solution for a total of 300$ plus shipping, tx etc… If they are right, within 18 tank we have paid off the system.

So… anyone has a hydrogen system? Anyone?!?

Again, I understand propane is a very good option, I am just looking at something a little bit less complicated to install and at this time less expensive…

Anu thoughts?

Fred

[lopar]

So… anyone has a hydrogen system? Anyone?!?

I think I read someone in this post just installed a hydrogen kit!






couldn't help it........

[FredVenne]

I know… that’s why I am asking for them to come out of the closet and talk about it…

Anyway, reading more about it, it seems to be a scam once more...

[Mr. Flibble]

IMO, what I remember about Thermodynamics from Chemistry/Physics says HOH is a scam. That, and the Mythbusters came to the same conclusion. Propane on the other hand does work, and is not actually that complex.

[Drumster]

I know… that’s why I am asking for them to come out of the closet and talk about it…

Anyway, reading more about it, it seems to be a scam once more...

I don't know if I'd call the technology a "scam" per se but I had bad results with an HHO kit I put on my '02 Ford Van with a V6 some years ago. The kit I had was bought on eBay and consisted of a PVC canister with electrodes inside. Highly alkaline lye/water mixture was added and a current run thru. Resultant mixture was introduced into air intake. From what I could tell there was not much HHO produced and it was not regulated or matched to air flow or revs in any way.

Your results may vary and perhaps there's better kits out there but my experience is that the set up I had made a real mess when it over flowed and simply did not work. Aside from the fun I had farting around with it, it was a waste of money.

[Drumster]

I spoke with Eco-shot in Chilliwack recently.

Their propane injectioin kit costs $1200.
Installation is subbed out and is approx $600.
Tank, if one they carry fits, is approx $450.
Tank from outside source (Maxquip) approx $600.

Tank for L400 would need to be about 25 litres so as to cover two diesel fill ups.

So quite an investment but for someone who puts on a lot of km probably a good one.

Eco-Shot is is an Australian product and I seem to recall reading good reviews on the Aus Delica site a couple years ago.