FYI unless you have your highroof raised and/or have pretty big tires you pay the same as a low roof model. I was over height when I bought mine but as soon as I took the racks off the roof I was under height and that is with my 30" tires, yay.JMK wrote:I don't live on the coast and use the ferries every week or two.
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As a friendly competitive nudge to the "crystal-liters"... the huge moon roof in my P25 lets tons o' light in too AND... it opens!!! Great for photographers encountering animals they don't wish to tangle with OR, in true limo style, cruising down Robson Street waving at the crowds while sipping champagne!
One thing not mentioned yet tho... altho still a high roof model, the crystal-lite ceiling height is lower than a standard high-roof due to the lighting and shade mechanics.

One thing not mentioned yet tho... altho still a high roof model, the crystal-lite ceiling height is lower than a standard high-roof due to the lighting and shade mechanics.
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jaggedfish,
Any chance of a pic of the moon roof open from the inside?
Any chance of a pic of the moon roof open from the inside?
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On the crystal-lite roof:
We liked it huge amounts at first. When we started to do our usual "write it all down and then we'll dissect the list" approach, we found that we agreed on one issue we both feared. Loading canoes. We intend to put a rooftop carrier on some trips, but the main fear was when accidents happen loading canoes. We have been loading canoes for a few years now on our Aerostar (the pre-deli 4x4 minivan), and on the odd occasion the front tip (if loading from the rear) or a side gunwale has hit the rooftop and made a few marks (paint and in a couple cases a small rub-dent). So knowing that on the odd occasion we do have little roof top accidents, we opted out of the risk of having to duct tape a plastic bag to the roof to get us out of a camping/raining trip from hell.
Also, we have a dog that goes wherever we go...and she prefers the back area to be kept as cool as possible...she's such a bitch.
Oh, and one more consideration we gave: When my wife and I travel, we are up front. Why have a high roof those peasants we tote about can enjoy? LET THEM EAT CAKE! lol
We liked it huge amounts at first. When we started to do our usual "write it all down and then we'll dissect the list" approach, we found that we agreed on one issue we both feared. Loading canoes. We intend to put a rooftop carrier on some trips, but the main fear was when accidents happen loading canoes. We have been loading canoes for a few years now on our Aerostar (the pre-deli 4x4 minivan), and on the odd occasion the front tip (if loading from the rear) or a side gunwale has hit the rooftop and made a few marks (paint and in a couple cases a small rub-dent). So knowing that on the odd occasion we do have little roof top accidents, we opted out of the risk of having to duct tape a plastic bag to the roof to get us out of a camping/raining trip from hell.
Also, we have a dog that goes wherever we go...and she prefers the back area to be kept as cool as possible...she's such a bitch.
Oh, and one more consideration we gave: When my wife and I travel, we are up front. Why have a high roof those peasants we tote about can enjoy? LET THEM EAT CAKE! lol
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I had the same fears regarding loading bikes on a Copperhead rack. Sometimes my bike forks have dropped down and the dropouts have struck the roof. Much of the rest of the time I've got a large Pod, (about to be two), that obstructs the potential view.
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I haven't had any problems with loading either of my canoes onto my crystal lite roof. Both the canoes in this shot are mine, I just lent the yellow one to our Honda friends 





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I guess I could be more clear...hopefully the other half doesn't read this post. ;)
I personally have never bounced a canoe or other item off the roof...but others I know that have loaded canoes with their friends (all short females) have...and I am not always there to load or unload, so I'd feel a WHOLE LOT better knowing we won't have any accidents that run into needing to replace a roof lite somewhere far from a supplier....which is just about anywhere in Canada so far...lol
I personally have never bounced a canoe or other item off the roof...but others I know that have loaded canoes with their friends (all short females) have...and I am not always there to load or unload, so I'd feel a WHOLE LOT better knowing we won't have any accidents that run into needing to replace a roof lite somewhere far from a supplier....which is just about anywhere in Canada so far...lol
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It is a bit more of a chore getting the canoe on top of our Delica than it was getting on top of our Pontiac sedan or even our GMC Safari. I have bee know to park near a little hill to help load/unload it. I love the crystal lite roof, it makes the interior look so much bigger and since we tend to have three kids riding in the back, if something like that keeps them entertained that makes the trip go that much smoother.
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Wow! This is a busy thread... thought if I checked back there might be a couple responses...

JMK... I'll try to remember... don't have my camera with me at the moment (it's at home). Any specific angle?Any chance of a pic of the moon roof open from the inside?
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The crystal lite is lower inside than the high roof, but I don't believe for a second that it's lower than the standard roof models, it is quite obvious that the inside roof height is above where the outside roof height would be on the standard roof model.altho still a high roof model, the crystal-lite ceiling height is lower than a standard high-roof due to the lighting and shade mechanics.
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Green1: think your brain must have seen standard roof...the crystal-lite ceiling height is lower than a standard high-roof
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oops.... you're right...
one of these days I'll learn to READ! (yay literacy!)
one of these days I'll learn to READ! (yay literacy!)
Re: Why so many sales? / Low roof advice
Bit of a high-jack, but still related: With respect to ferries - the spirit class vessels have an upper car deck height of 2.12m (7 feet) and the older style ferries have an upper deck height of 2.02 m (6 feet 8 inches). A crystal lite roof, without a rack, and no monster-lift fits 'comfortably' (around 10 cm to spare) on the upper deck of the spirit class ferries, but not on the older style (so to the lower deck you go). I am not sure about the most recent ferries built in Germany, but its likely that the clearance is the same or greater than the spirit class vessels.
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beyond that, when pulling up to the window remind them about your height, some ferries it's ok, others it's not, just remember, a 6'10" vehicle may need the lower deck on some ferries, but it's still below the 7' for "overheight" so you shouldn't have to pay any extra!
I have a bunch of antennas on my roof that I can remove to get my height down to fit on the upper decks, I've had some nice people at the window assign me lower deck (at the cheaper rate) and others put me on the upper deck anyway...
I have a bunch of antennas on my roof that I can remove to get my height down to fit on the upper decks, I've had some nice people at the window assign me lower deck (at the cheaper rate) and others put me on the upper deck anyway...
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Re: Why so many sales? / Low roof advice
last trip I was spirit class in the morning and ended up lower deck just because it was getting full and not much over height on Sundays anyways. On the way back I was in the line that was heading up to the top of a queenship (smaller than spirit class) and the guys in the lot redirected me to the lower deck, still no over height charge though :), oh and they didn't seem to notice my wife and 2 kids in the back.