Rough Cold Weather starts.

[psilosin]

My stop leak refill cycle seems to be in spring and fall so was never too concerned with the thickness, might be an issue in winter if it gets too cold and molasses like. If its cold I would maybe cut it with more fuel in the tank 1/4 to 1/3 full instead of 1/8 to 1/4.

Here is the post that turned me onto this trick...and the results of my first test Aug 12, 2010
Leaking injector pump fix with engine stop leak

[delicioso!]

very cool, thanks for the info and link guys. my hdj81 has been leaking for a while now, mild smoke at start up and goes away after warm up....thinkin of givin this a try. guess nobody knows what the ultimate mix ratio is...

curious to see what happens to the diesel in say a glass jar with this stuff dumped in it...would it disolve with the fuel or migrate to the bottom...hmmm.

what's behind stop and starts and short drives with this process?

leary about the thickness and cold (but not too cold here in ontario, around zero +/-)

[delicioso!]

...spoke to a tech rep at bardahl and explained my situation and shared the talks on the stop leak in the diesel tank. i asked about the two products i posted and it was mentioned that the stop leak/no smoke (thicker stuff) would have more seal puffing qualities than the stop leak/black bottle is thinner fluid. anyway, they do not support this type of regimen offcourse (as i'm sure the other companies wouldn't either) and that it would be a use at your own risk kinda deal... i said it was fine.

on that note, they said that they have a newer product (not on the website just yet) that might be more suited..i'm waiting to talk to their main tech/mechanic regarding this new product for IP's...hang tight...

[delicioso!]

My stop leak refill cycle seems to be in spring and fall so was never too concerned with the thickness, might be an issue in winter if it gets too cold and molasses like. If its cold I would maybe cut it with more fuel in the tank 1/4 to 1/3 full instead of 1/8 to 1/4.

Here is the post that turned me onto this trick...and the results of my first test Aug 12, 2010
Leaking injector pump fix with engine stop leak

from that thread, i may do this to play it safe..

"I used three Nulon ESL bottles from Supercheap.
Shook them up with five litres of diesel in a jerry can,
and then added that mixture to the 15-20 litres of diesel in my tank.
Art.
____"

[mac_stang]

I don't know guys, my issues have pretty much disappeared with the use of a diesel specific additive(that has been used in the heavy duty industry for years). It is a heck of. A lot cheaper than stop leak, and does nothing negative to your emissions, and doesn't burn blue either.


Brad.

[psilosin]

I don't know guys, my issues have pretty much disappeared with the use of a diesel specific additive(that has been used in the heavy duty industry for years). It is a heck of. A lot cheaper than stop leak, and does nothing negative to your emissions, and doesn't burn blue either.

And that would be what? Not all that helpful of a post without sharing that info...

Not that there isn't something better than engine stop-leak but at $6-7 for a bottle every 6 months its pretty cheap and it doesn't make blue smoke. If there is something even better and cheaper then that would be even better.

[mac_stang]

I don't know guys, my issues have pretty much disappeared with the use of a diesel specific additive(that has been used in the heavy duty industry for years). It is a heck of. A lot cheaper than stop leak, and does nothing negative to your emissions, and doesn't burn blue either.

And that would be what? Not all that helpful of a post without sharing that info...

Not that there isn't something better than engine stop-leak but at $6-7 for a bottle every 6 months its pretty cheap and it doesn't make blue smoke. If there is something even better and cheaper then that would be even better.

Are you joking...as the OP, I seem to remember mentioning what I am using for an additive on Page 1...maybe you should start reading from the beginning...


Brad.

[Mr. Flibble]

Are you joking...as the OP, I seem to remember mentioning what I am using for an additive on Page 1...maybe you should start reading from the beginning...


Brad.

No need for this to descend into flame war territory:
From page 1:

The issue re appeared 2 tanks later. And in the time since, I've found out that if I don't treat each tank with Howes diesel treatment the starting problem appears again. If I treat it 30ml/20ltrs each time. It starts(and continues running on its own) almost every time while treated.

[psilosin]

I don't know guys, my issues have pretty much disappeared with the use of a diesel specific additive(that has been used in the heavy duty industry for years). It is a heck of. A lot cheaper than stop leak, and does nothing negative to your emissions, and doesn't burn blue either.

And that would be what? Not all that helpful of a post without sharing that info...

Not that there isn't something better than engine stop-leak but at $6-7 for a bottle every 6 months its pretty cheap and it doesn't make blue smoke. If there is something even better and cheaper then that would be even better.

Are you joking...as the OP, I seem to remember mentioning what I am using for an additive on Page 1...maybe you should start reading from the beginning...


Brad.

Wow chill out there Alice no need to pms like a bitch. So the answer is Howes diesel treatment. Sorry for not going back to the beginning to figure out what you were referring to and sorry it made you so upset. And is Howes a 'heck of a lot cheaper' than $6 over 6 months...answer is no...so why would I even think you were referring to Howes with the response you gave. Hell even typing Howes is less effort than 'diesel specific additive'. Geez Louise.

[mac_stang]

And that would be what? Not all that helpful of a post without sharing that info...

Not that there isn't something better than engine stop-leak but at $6-7 for a bottle every 6 months its pretty cheap and it doesn't make blue smoke. If there is something even better and cheaper then that would be even better.[/quote]
Are you joking...as the OP, I seem to remember mentioning what I am using for an additive on Page 1...maybe you should start reading from the beginning...


Brad.[/quote]Wow chill out there Alice no need to pms like a bitch. So the answer is Howes diesel treatment. Sorry for not going back to the beginning to figure out what you were referring to and sorry it made you so upset. And is Howes a 'heck of a lot cheaper' than $6 over 6 months...answer is no...so why would I even think you were referring to Howes with the response you gave. Hell even typing Howes is less effort than 'diesel specific additive'. Geez Louise.[/quote]
Sorry there mouthpiece, I didn't want to sound like I was selling the stuff. I just wanted to point out that if i use an additive developed for early model diesels, the problem seems to go away. It's not my problem you didn't feel my thoughts were adequate enough to figure that out. I guess you could spend a couple of bucks on a tub of margarine and shove that in you tank, maybe that'll work. Sure would cost a lot less than the $12 I spend for almost a year supply of Howes. For the record, I'm not upset at all, but I'm a little surprised that you managed to respond in print, but "sound" like your 15 years old.

Brad.

[psilosin]

Well you really told me there...with that excellent grammar and solid grasp of how to screw up the quote button.

I didn't think it was an explosive question...no motive other than curiosity.

[Mr. Flibble]

[mac_stang]

I didn't realize my use of the forum and tools was being graded. I don't know why you are attacking me personally?

Brad.

[psilosin]

I asked a question...you bit my head off...so I responded in kind and here we are.

I think this is more of a mis-interpretation of each others posts than anything...as I do not think we are actually in any argument over the value of Howe's/fuel conditioner or stop-leak for their purpose which I think is a bit apple to orange and not mutually exclusive.

Common sense would recommend using a fuel conditioner before ever considering stop-leak. Stop-leak is a last resort for when things have gotten to a point that the only other option is repair. Using a fuel conditioner with every fill as a preventative routine may well prevent the problem from getting to the stage where trying stop-leak becomes neccessary.

[FalcoColumbarius]

So... have you guys sorted it out in an amicable fashion? Are we friends again? Shall I remove a few posts to restore the thread to it's original MO?