Furnace fuel in your delica?

[Modsqwad]

I ran red stove oil (#2 diesel) in my turbo jetta for years without a problem. Don't forget you already have a pretty skookum filtration
settup in your van with a water sensor. Go for it I have never heard of a passenger vehicle having the tax cops check for red diesel
so stick it to the man! Suerte.
Andy

[Green1]

Go for it I have never heard of a passenger vehicle having the tax cops check for red diesel

I've never witnessed it personally, but I've talked to a few people who have been checked...

[Tom1976]

In QC, the Road Police is different than our provincial or local enforcement.

They basically stop merchandise, commercial or U-Haul type of vehicles.
As I mentionned earlier in a post, my dad has run his suburban for 20 years on House-diesel, never came close to being stopped

Could be luck, bu highway cops or local cops don't stop cars for that...they can only send you to inspection.

Again, this is Qc.

[Aztec Nomad]

Hey,
Everyone seems to be right on this one. No problems will arise with running the dyed fuel in your Delica. Anything that is offroad specific (farm, logging, mining etc), uses the coloured fuel legally, and also your furnace fuel. It was said earlier that you have a chance of being caught using it, the chances of that is soooooo slim, I wouldn't think twice of burning it in my van. Diesel is diesel is diesel......I think, lol.
Adam

[NT Delica]

Hi,

I use furnace oil in my Delica and other diesel engines almost exclusively. I live in the NWT...in our small town the road diesel and the home heating oil come into town in the same tank truck. Some is pumped into the home heating oil storage tank and then delivered at $.80/litre and some is pumped into the motor diesel tank and sold to motorists for $1.25/litre. The home heating version is not dyed. It is identical. My understanding that this is the same situation in the rest of Canada only some Provinces require dyes in the fuel mix to prevent avoidance of the road taxes.

I put 25,000km + on my Delica a year and the only time I use "motor diesel" is on my trips to southern Canada after I have used up the Jerry cans of home heating oil that I always bring along. I can discern no difference in performance at all. My engine does not smoke, unless is is cold. Sometimes in winter we do add about 10% of Jet A....helicopter fuel to the mix. http://www.delica.ca/forum/posting.php? ... f=9&t=6498#

I don't think that you will have much of a problem with running two or three hundred gallons of heating fuel (BC style) through your vehicle. Just be careful not to contaminate it while you are transferring it to your vehicle. J

[FalcoColumbarius]

Two types of diesel: Diesel #2 = what you put in a diesel engine; Diesel #1 = kerosene, jet fuel, stove oil &c. As Afteroil mentioned, Diesel #2 has lubricants in it to lubricate the moving parts of a diesel engine. Diesel #1 is designed to just burn. I would imagine that Tom1976's father likely added something to the mixture. Bare in mind that the Government currently is wanting more taxes and may well want to implement road blocks for the purpose of "dipping".

Falco.

[EnviroImports.com]

Ive Never seen or heard of anyone "Actually " having had there tanks checked, with the majority of vehicles having one way valves/ antisyponing tabs in the system, no one is going to say, "Hey is that a diesel? Pull over, Im going to Give you a Free fuel filter and happen to have your exact one here in my truck , im checking for dyes in your fuel"
there is soooooooooooo much money being made from taxing road fuels ,some places have a gas station on all 4 corners. one day half of them will have a starbucks attached , Im sure...
if your worried about it, tell them your running Biodiesel. but your never going to be going down the highway and find a pack of inspectors waiting to pull over Private vehicles with your delica fuel filter in the hopes of writing you a ticket for having some red dye number 5 in your tank. there is NO money in it and not enough people doing it to raise an eyebrow.

However if they ever did decide to go back to pulling over right hand drives, not just diesels, that would be far to much fun for me as I make my own B100 Biodiesel and along with being a nurse, the wife is an aromatherapist when we go on long drives we spike the fuel with what ever potion she wants to build and sometimes get some Great Smelling exhaust...

[Green1]

the ones I've talked to around here who have had their tanks dipped have been around the University of Lethbridge, lots of farm kids there, and many selling dyed fuel to their classmates...

I'm also not sure why you think they'd need anything to do with the fuel filter??? If you can get fuel in to your tank, they can check to see what's in it.

B100 isn't an issue either, it isn't dyed.

Dipping tanks seems to be commonplace in europe (look at all the posts about it on the UK forum!) but you are correct that it is quite rare around here.

[EnviroImports.com]

I could see some attention being brought if its a growing thing in a small town, but on most vehicles Newer than 15yrs old there are different things in the way of being able to have your fuel taken out, But the L300 delica does have the big gaping hole. but most vehicles have a tab, just past where the fuel nozzle goes to, and fuel will flow past it, but a hose gets caught on it when trying to remove it,some have a screen, fluid goes through and solids do not
Bio diesel IS colored, not artificially, but depending on the source for the fuel, its anywhere from a deep yellow- clear- rich red mahogany that looks similar to the furnace oil I bought from mriguy... so for a road side inspection, if they were to do it to our smart car(diesel they would either have to drain it from the bottom of the tank OR take it from the fuel filter, same with my tenants Isuzu MU Turbo Diesel. and our 05 dodge cummins also.

[Green1]

that's BS, they manage to dip tanks in the rest of the world, I can guarantee they can do it here too.

An anti-siphoning device won't stop them finding out what's in your tank.

[Manitoba deli]

Green1 is right, fuel inspections are a regular thing in rural manitoba, you can also buy colored gasoline as farm fuel, and at 11-17cents/litre cheaper, it can get a little too tempting for some when times are tight. The siphoning tool they use has a tube so small, I've never heard of a vehicle not being able to be tested. As for there being no money in it, at close to $600 for first offence, and double for second, sounds pretty profitable to me, and thats in auto's. For comercial vehicles it is around $3000. (don't have to hand out too many of those tickets to have a profitable day). It's all about the odds, where I live odds are pretty good you'll get checked, so if you are using colored fuel, you better use it all the time, and save that 11-17cents/litre to pay for the fine you may or may not get. If you are going to play the game, be prepared to pay the price of admission. Sounds like in your area, odds are pretty low, so the only thing you gotta ask yourself is do ya feel lucky punk?, Well do ya ? (Always wanted to say that, fells great)

Jason

[FalcoColumbarius]

Here's a thought ~ while this thread is busy talking about how to screw the government out of tax dollars... do you think they don't read these threads? Let's do a little math: Delica Club website = RHD (red flag); divided by; government minus revenue; = road blocks & new surcharges on Diesel #1... Except of course in the case if all RHD diesels use Diesel #1 without the proper lubricity then there will be less RHD Diesels on the road before too long. In the UK people discovered that SVO worked well in diesel engines. A law was passed restricting the purchase of vegetable oil to smaller quantities (something like four litres at a time) thereby causing people to spend their day driving from supermarket to supermarket in order to fill their tank. Now, let's take the earlier equation and add it to the singular precedent paraphrased above and ponder the potential results when law enforcement agencies are given just cause to randomly pull over RHD vehicles... Hmm... do you think that's air you're breathing, Neo?

[EnviroImports.com]

yes, good point,
I do have to agree, I dont live in Manitoba or souther AB, there are conflicting laws and rules that come into place when the touchy subject of taxes come into play, different provinces have different laws about how much Bio diesel content can be in fuel to make it Non taxable, and Only up to a certain quota per year, we seem to follow the US like "Sheeple" when it comes to things like that. but someof the new Green inititives tend to conflict with existing transport ones.
Here in BC every person who buys a Diesel vehicle and pays PST is entitled to apply for that pst back from the province because there vehicles are able to run "alternative fuels" and we are entitled to run (depending on where in the province) different amounts of fuel witout paying tax, it gets Really complicated when dealing with this because there are different amounts aloted for different types of FUEL, Home made B100. B20, WVO, Hydrogen.... now these laws then conflict with the Federal laws about driving a personal vehicle NOT for farm use on the public roads with out paying the road tax that is included in the PUMP FUEL. It seems like new rules and alowances come into play and you have to print off the new laws to pack with you.

Im not a fuel dealer in any other province than BC so with out getting into alot of research thats just going to create more arguments.(difference of opinions)

so really I should not give any opinions about other provinces, but Im fairly up to date on the federal green laws that are new and might not be passed or known yet...

[Modsqwad]

Hmm... do you think that's air you're breathing, Neo?[/color][/quote]

Aha! These words he speaks are true. The matrix is listening and will act on its hunger for revenue if prodded too much. Thankfully
I "took the red pill" and checked out of the police state for a life of freedom and ease (and easily bribed officials) in sunny Mexico. I still
say the margins are too slim for this to be a big threat in most area's of the country. If I were not buying cheap fuel from Pemex I would
be doing this up there. Buen Suerte.
Andrea's De Sayulita