Climategate

[mycale]

Delica website is for talking about Delica's. If I wanted to read/see/discuss issues of climate change I would go to a different website. stop shoving your hoax-mongering down our happy website's throat

[konadog]

Delica website is for talking about Delica's. If I wanted to read/see/discuss issues of climate change I would go to a different website. stop shoving your hoax-mongering down our happy website's throat

Here Here!! Put a sock-et in it!

[Mr. Flibble]

Equating the historical fact that 6 million jews were killed.... to a scientific theory based on computer models, graphs, extrapolating data is absurd.

I am not here to defend for a certain view-point. For or against. I just wanted to post some emails that are not getting any airtime in the MSM.

There is a reason why Phil Jones, 1 of the scientists that sent some of the emails just stepped down from his top position (CHECK THE AP)... he recognizes what was said in the emails does not help the global warming cause and science in general. Very honest move and a complete 360* from what he was saying a few days ago (read news from 5 days ago).

I am not equating the historical fact that 6 million jews were killed to a theory based on computer models etc. You are missing the logical point. The arguments put forth by holocaust DENIERS are the same as those of the climate skeptics - ignoring the content and focusing only on the style of argument the techniques are the same. The same goes for the "Intelligent Design" camp.

So what if there is a reason why Phil Jones stepped down? It does *NOTHING* to invalidate the theory at all. It has no effect. The entire UK staff could be babykillers, that would not be good, but it would not have an effect on the science in any way shape or form.

This is all smoke. There is no empirical evidence on the side of the climate skeptics. Thus, they epic fail. Full stop.

[Mr. Flibble]

Delica website is for talking about Delica's. If I wanted to read/see/discuss issues of climate change I would go to a different website. stop shoving your hoax-mongering down our happy website's throat

Mmmmm. Point. I should stop arguing with people that don't understand the fundamentals of science. I should talk more about WVO...

[mararmeisto]

Sounds like we've got a serious case of FUD on the forum! I'm going to get another bag of popcorn...

As far as the Mayan calendar is concerned, it has much, MUCH more to do with the certainty that their CALENDAR ends on 2012/12/21 - it is not a perpetual calendar, and so it has an end date. The interesting thing is that just like the yearly calendar you buy at the shop, flip the page over and it starts again - the Mayans just have a 26000-year calendar instead of a 12-month one.

And the movie "2012"... is just a movie.

[FalcoColumbarius]

And the movie "2012"... is just a movie.

I did the cruise liner's jazz club and sinking bridge set on that film ~ just so you know .

[mararmeisto]

And the movie "2012"... is just a movie.

I did the cruise liner's jazz club and sinking bridge set on that film ~ just so you know .

And since we're on the topical theme of the climate, and protecting it, or recovering from it (as was portrayed in the movie), I found it odd that for a one billion euros admission fee, with I think it was four hundred thousand 'refugees', that the best technology that could be built into the arks was diesel-burning engines?!? When the one ark breaks loose, and finally gets its gearbox cleared, and the order to "Start main engines" is yelled at the helmsman, a big black belch of dense smoke emits from the stacks. I mean sure, it's more dramatic than a no-particulate-cloud start-up from a nuclear plant, or maybe the cold soft illuminating hum of an ion-drive or some other future-science they may have thrown into the movie, but hey! Diesel? Come on! Didn't the planet just flood because of global warming, melting of the ice caps, shifting of the continents, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis because we burned up way too many dead-dinosaur-goo, and then the propulsion plant of the rescue vehicles is... burning... dead dinosaurs... ? ? ? ?

BTW Falco, good paint job. I honestly don't remember the scene you're writing about, but now I've got an excuse to watch the movie again. A bit long, though, it was. Still...

[Mr. Flibble]

And the movie "2012"... is just a movie.

I did the cruise liner's jazz club and sinking bridge set on that film ~ just so you know .

And since we're on the topical theme of the climate, and protecting it, or recovering from it (as was portrayed in the movie), I found it odd that for a one billion euros admission fee, with I think it was four hundred thousand 'refugees', that the best technology that could be built into the arks was diesel-burning engines?!? When the one ark breaks loose, and finally gets its gearbox cleared, and the order to "Start main engines" is yelled at the helmsman, a big black belch of dense smoke emits from the stacks. I mean sure, it's more dramatic than a no-particulate-cloud start-up from a nuclear plant, or maybe the cold soft illuminating hum of an ion-drive or some other future-science they may have thrown into the movie, but hey! Diesel? Come on! Didn't the planet just flood because of global warming, melting of the ice caps, shifting of the continents, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis because we burned up way too many dead-dinosaur-goo, and then the propulsion plant of the rescue vehicles is... burning... dead dinosaurs... ? ? ? ?

BTW Falco, good paint job. I honestly don't remember the scene you're writing about, but now I've got an excuse to watch the movie again. A bit long, though, it was. Still...

I noticed that too about the diesel engines! It makes no sense to build a diesel engine when a nuclear power plant as in Submarines and Aircraft Carriers is clearly superior! Never mind that the movie was woefully bad on physics to begin with... Neutrinos mutating (what???)? Causing the neutrino detectors water supply to boil? Everyone on earth would be dead from radiation poisoning before the water boiled! *sigh*... So many science errors...

But the Jazz set was well made - I remember it! :)

[mycale]

Delica website is for talking about Delica's. If I wanted to read/see/discuss issues of climate change I would go to a different website. stop shoving your hoax-mongering down our happy website's throat

Mmmmm. Point. I should stop arguing with people that don't understand the fundamentals of science. I should talk more about WVO...

just an fyi, because I don't want to argue about something doesn't mean i am not capable of doing so...don't assume. btw, nuc subs are very easy to find, Diesels, not so much...newer isn't always better

[konadog]

I betcha there were stick in the mud fools claiming it was all nonsense and fear mongering as the final tree on Easter Island was hacked down so they could roll just one more of those idiotic heads around... A few years later old Capt. Cook dropped by for a visit to find the last of em sitting on their thumbs eating seaweed and wondering what went wrong....

Another scientist - old Issac Newton - right bastard by all accounts, but a smart one - came up with the notion that "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" AKA - Everything has a price. Fundamental law of reality. The right wing nut jobs whining about their imaginary financial bottom lines don't want to acknowledge this one of course, but no matter, just as they did on Easter Island we will decimate our environment and make the earth uninhabitable for us - and all the fussing and bickering won't make any difference... Those stupid frickin heads......

[drrod]

Perhaps the only thing that can be said for sure about the whole climate thing is that every side involved will be presenting evidence that supports their agenda and if you look deep enough into those agendas, there is usually $$$ involved somehow. What is perhaps most disturbing, is the fact that policies will be formulated and implemented based on things that have not been thought out in an "unbiased" atmosphere.

I have been involved in enough evaluation of "science" to see that there are large credibility gaps on both sides.

Rod

[after oil]

#1 other forums have a "water cooler" subforum for completely off topic discussion. obviously plenty of people want to have this discussion, and in general im curious to discuss off topic matters in order to "get to know" some of the forum members.

#2 wetcoast: so climate change is a hoax! what am i supposed to do about it? i eat organic and local, i grow a bunch of food, i run WVO, i never get a plastic bag. nothing will change that.

respectfully,
after oil

[FalcoColumbarius]

#1 other forums have a "water cooler" subforum for completely off topic discussion. obviously plenty of people want to have this discussion, and in general im curious to discuss off topic matters in order to "get to know" some of the forum members.

#2 wetcoast: so climate change is a hoax! what am i supposed to do about it? i eat organic and local, i grow a bunch of food, i run WVO, i never get a plastic bag. nothing will change that.

respectfully,
after oil

Oil,

Think of all those ions you killed by getting that article written about you at Gearbox.....

Which reminds me: Okay, there these two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar and order two beers, and one hydrogen atom says to the other:

• "Dude, I think I lost my electron..."
  and the other replied "omygawd~, are you sure?
  "Yeah... I'm positive."

BTW Falco, good paint job. I honestly don't remember the scene you're writing about, but now I've got an excuse to watch the movie again. A bit long, though, it was. Still...

I remember going to see "The Poseidon Adventure" with my father, the retired WWII naval engineer, when I was a kid. One scene stands out in my memory where the survivors manage, at great expense, to get to the engine room ~ only see small oil fires burning on the flooded surface of the compartment, it was an emotional moment for me ~ and I heard this voice coming from my left: "No. That isn't possible. Not, unless they were torpedoed by a specific German incendiary torpedo." And I turned "Oh dad~?"

Falco.

[psilosin]

Which reminds me: Okay, there these two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar and order two beers, and one hydrogen atom says to the other:
"Dude, I think I lost my electron..."
and the other replied "omygawd~, are you sure?
"Yeah... I'm positive."

A Neutron walks into a bar and asks the price of a drink. The bartender replied "For you... no charge!".

[Mr. Flibble]

Which reminds me: Okay, there these two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar and order two beers, and one hydrogen atom says to the other:
"Dude, I think I lost my electron..."
and the other replied "omygawd~, are you sure?
"Yeah... I'm positive."

A Neutron walks into a bar and asks the price of a drink. The bartender replied "For you... no charge!".

Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar; and doesn't.