victoria based veggie coop?

[torchard]

Hi,

I'm reconsidering a WVO conversion - are there any victoria members with a veggie oil collection filtering, storage set up that I might be able to share in? I'm condo-bound so kinda limited on my ability to collect, clean and store this stuff.

--T

[Adam]

I know Noel was discussing a Victoria based WVO Co-op a while back. Not sure what stage he is at with that.

We are working on setting up a co-op in Nanaimo, currently it is just three of us with only two running on WVO right now. We are trying to set up a model to let member participate at all different levels, from collection, filtering, storage, to just straight consumers. To do this we are trying to assign a monetary value to each activity, for example:

• collection is worth $0.10/L
• filtering is worth $0.15/L
• storage distribution is worth $0.05/L

These are just ballpark figures right now. Really we are trying to keep money out of the equation as much as possible. It is a balance between making sure the people doing the lion's share of the WVO co-op labour feel compensated while making the oil accessible to everyone.

If you do decide to convert, you could participate in our group. I'm in Victoria every 2nd Friday and I could bring a load of oil down with me for you. If you are able to collect oil locally you could exchange unfiltered oil for filtered oil at a ratio of say 2:1? I could truck it back to Nanaimo filter and repeat. Not an ideal solution, really it would be better if you could do it more locally, but it could work in the short term.

As I said, the per liter numbers are still very much in flux, we don't to be making money at this, cause truthfully for the amount of money involved I don't think it is worth it. We'd much prefer to exchange oil for co-op participation or other service/products you have access to.

[franko]

Well this info is good to know, as I am thinking of converting my 01 Jetta TDI to the 2 tank plantdrive system soon.. And would like to partner up with someone to get oil.. I might even talk the company I would with ( levelgroundtrading ) to convert there diesel sprinters ( vans ) into using VO..
Plus I hoping that at our new wearhouse that we are bulding I can talk them into letting me have a place to store and fillter the oil.. Are new facility is out Central Saanich on Keating X road.

Anyway I have not done the convertion yet , but if all goes well I will soon ..

Lets keep this topic on the air, casue I will need Oil soon myself intll I can find some place to partner with in Vic.

I know there is a few home based Biodiesel plants, But that not what I or we are looking for ..

Cheers

[Adam]

Last time I checked Victoria biodiesel and Cowichan were selling WVO filtered for $0.50/L.

[loki]

Last time I checked Victoria biodiesel and Cowichan were selling WVO filtered for $0.50/L.

someone tried to tell me that if you sold it as fuel you would have to charge all the same taxes as gas, I hope not, I am planning on starting to sell it at a lower price that 50 cents, but I still need to ramp up operations.

[Adam]

I haven't been able to dig up any info specifically on WVO, most of what I come across in reference to fuel taxes is talking about biodiesel.

In the 2004 budget, the Province of British Columbia amended the Alternative Motor Fuel Tax Act, allowing the biodiesel portion of a biodiesel blend to be exempt from the provincial motor fuel tax.

http://www2.news.gov.bc.ca/nrm_news_rel ... 000497.htm
The federal gov't is set to place a $0.04/L excise tax on biodiesel, but at the sametime they are offering a $0.20/L incentive to producers. Not sure if this has any effect on WVO.
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/ ... 5591053812

http://www.budget.gc.ca/2007/bp/bpc3e.html

Incentive rates will be up to $0.10/L for renewable alternatives to gasoline and up to $0.20/L for renewable alternatives to diesel for the first three years, then decline thereafter.

...

Concurrent with the implementation of the operating incentive program to promote additional domestic production of renewable fuels, the excise tax exemptions for ethanol and biodiesel will be eliminated as of April 1, 2008.

It would be nice to hear from someone actually selling WVO as to what hoops they've had to jump through. I know Noel mentioned the you needed to become an "alternative fuels dealer", but I haven't found any info on that yet.

[Mr. Flibble]

Is the $/L quoted above ($0.50/L) still accurate for Victoria Biodiesel and Cowichan? When I last checked their prices were close to that of regular Diesel, but I could very well be mistaken. (I realize I am bumping an old post).

[Adam]

Is the $/L quoted above ($0.50/L) still accurate for Victoria Biodiesel and Cowichan? When I last checked their prices were close to that of regular Diesel, but I could very well be mistaken.

I think you are conflating WVO and Biodiesel, they are two very different animals. Biodiesel is chemically thinned vegetable oil (usually) that can run in unmodified diesel engines, whereas WVO is chemically unaltered vegetable oil (usually) that requires some level of modification (in most cases) to a diesel engine to run without causing issues. Typically, the modifications required to run WVO trouble free involved heating the oil to 160F before it hits the injectors so that the viscosity is reduced enough to achieve the same spray pattern as pump diesel.

Biodeisel prices are usually as much, or more than pump diesel prices. This reflects the material costs and labour required to produce biodiesel. WVO is usually much less than biodiesel/pump diesel and may or may not be filtered and/or dewatered.

[Mr. Flibble]

Is the $/L quoted above ($0.50/L) still accurate for Victoria Biodiesel and Cowichan? When I last checked their prices were close to that of regular Diesel, but I could very well be mistaken.

I think you are conflating WVO and Biodiesel, they are two very different animals. Biodiesel is chemically thinned vegetable oil (usually) that can run in unmodified diesel engines, whereas WVO is chemically unaltered vegetable oil (usually) that requires some level of modification (in most cases) to a diesel engine to run without causing issues. Typically, the modifications required to run WVO trouble free involved heating the oil to 160F before it hits the injectors so that the viscosity is reduced enough to achieve the same spray pattern as pump diesel.

Biodeisel prices are usually as much, or more than pump diesel prices. This reflects the material costs and labour required to produce biodiesel. WVO is usually much less than biodiesel/pump diesel and may or may not be filtered and/or dewatered.

Err, yes. You are correct. I was confusing the two. I meant to ask if $0.50/L was still accurate for processes WVO not Biodiesel!

As it would be extremely difficult for me to filter my own WVO (due to living in an apt) I would have to purchase pre-filtered WVO and put that in my Deli. I am trying to decide if I should get a Veggie kit on my Deli when I get one, and the total cost/benefit analysis will decide that for me. :)