Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

[RZ350]

By the way check out bluetec . Basically a hightech water injection system, using animal pee to reduce emmisions.

There is a BIG difference between BlueTec's AdBlue system (Wikpedia link) and water/alcohol injection. The AdBlue urea injection is done into the exhaust, not into the intake.

Hmmm... I stand corrected.
I had the information from an owner, not a tech. Should have known better. Still a valid point to be made from it as he was whining about yet another thing to fill LOL.

[Erebus]

When Mercedes was talking to the EPA in the US about meeting emissions standards, the EPA wanted the BlueTec system set to shut down the engine if the reservoir was empty (i.e., just like running out of fuel), but Mercedes didn't want to disable the vehicle for something that isn't vital to running, only for lower emission.

I think the final result was that it doesn't shut down the system.

It may be "just one more fluid", but then we already have fuel and front and rear w/washer to fill, and oil, tranny, coolant, power steering, brake fluids plus tire pressures to check. So one more isn't really that big a deal. <he says, thinking back to when he last checked above listed items>

[guamdoc]

A good read on diesel injection systems strait from Japan, Make sure you take a peek at pages 202-204.

http://books.google.com/books?id=3L16c8 ... t#PPA22,M1

[Erebus]

Only page 203 is available at that link. It isn't directly applicable to Delicas in Canada, since it looks only at fuel with water injection, not fuel with water and alcohol injection. Water only injection would not work in most of Canada for most of the year -- that pesky issue of water freezing at zero degrees.

It also is focusing on reducing NOx and soot emissions, not more power. Another relevant quote from the one page of the paper available is, "As water is injected before the ignition, ignition quality must be deteriorated."

Therefore, this paper doesn't look at anything that is relevant to issue at hand. All the questions posted here still stand.

[guamdoc]

Well for one, water injection and water/alcohol injection are one in the same, If you go back and look at the dyno charts you'll see you will make HP/TQ with either one. To keep your mix from freezing all you need to do is add alcohol. Also the other reason which seems to be lost here is to show emission reductions. Thought you guys were all about being green? You would need to read the rest of the article. This was also a 2 stoke supercharged engine. But as stated just a example of emission reductions. Take it how you like. Adding alcohol to the mix just give you even greater emission reduction and increases the power by giving you a more efficient burn of your diesel. If almost totally carbon free/soot free internals are not for you this there not. I have gone over the benefits of this multiple times and how it works. I don't know how many more facts you'll need. Feel free to do your own research.


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There's more but you would have to buy the book to read. Not to mention all the other countless articles out there on the matter.

I'm pretty sure I have answered every question on here. If have something new please be specific, Things don't get much easier than water injection.

To each his own, If this is not for you it's just not.

Good day to you. Think I'm done on this one.

[guamdoc]

Just to show you what your engines make on 50/50 water methanol mix, this is with 1 pre-turbo 1gph nozzle and 1 1gph nozzle at the intake. These vehicles need a bit of alcohol because they actually loose hp on pure water due to the combustion temps being quenched. Not the most efficient engines. This vehicle also did a emissions test and they are 63% lower than his last one. So with normal driving you would notice much better throttle response from 2000 rpms an up.

So 17hp to the wheel and a nice gain in torque in the 2000rpm and up range. So now you know what you can expect. Oh yeah this is the 2.5 liter engine. The year of the vehicle means little in the Philippines since it's just the year imported to the country for the most part.

[Meanman]

maybe I've missed it along the way.....are you selling a kit and if so how much?

[guamdoc]

Yes I sell these systems. www.alcohol-injection.com depends on what kit you get but we have a basic 4cly turbo diesel kit.

[fexlboi]

Yes I sell these systems. http://www.alcohol-injection.com depends on what kit you get but we have a basic 4cly turbo diesel kit.

Which all-inclusive kits would be your recommendation for a Delica?

[jessef]

This one

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/water- ... 1-237.html

[guamdoc]

Yes that is the kit, You will want to request D01 and D02 nozzle for your nozzle sizes. It is a night and day difference in how the vehicle drives when you get the system. You should look into a good sized tank you can use one of our or get one local.

[delicat]

Guamdoc, any redeem code available to get a discount? (For info, this kit is US $220)

If someone else is interested in this kit and wanna do a group buy let me know, we'd save a little on shipping.

Thanks!

[guamdoc]

Here's one just for you guys, It's good for 10 days. When you get to the screen to enter put 4D56 and hit redeem. It's for 10%

If you wanted a progressive system you will have to add a MAP sensor which we carry.

We also have this to make install a snap,

DevilsOwn is now taken pre orders on a Nozzle Mounting Adapter for those needing nozzles mounted into silicone or rubber intake tubes.

These will fit our nozzles along with any other nozzles with 1/8npt threads.

Just drill a 9/16" hole in your intake tube. Pop it in and tighten. Has an intergrated O ring to eliminate boost leaks.

[delicat]

Thanks Guamdoc, really appreciated!

As for the progressive kit, advantages or more importantly is it worth the extra expenses? Sounds like we could easily get away without it but I'm curious to hear back. That kit would be the progressive controller and the 2 bar map sensor with harness? That would double the initial price...

Thanks again.
David

ps. If you guys read the entire post you'll see there was a lot of negativity involved but for those understanding the benefit of such an install, you got to admit that as of yet the customer support is quite outstanding!

[guamdoc]

Progressive just makes adjustments easier and allows you to spray at a lower rpm, The base kit works just as well it will however use more because these vehicles are always in the boost and there is not increasing the pressure with the boost it's just full blast. Get a good sized tank at least 4L or more. You can use just about anything.

So the basic 4cly turbo diesel kit will suit most peoples needs. And it keeps any electronics out of the picture. You just set and forget. The dual nozzle upgrade is a better consideration over progressive with these kits, You will be amazed at the difference in throttle response. If I was going to spend extra for a item it would be that and not the progressive kit, at least on these vehicles were the Stage 2 kit is really not going to make much difference over the Stage 1 kit as far as power goes.