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skepticism and open mindedness should always go hand in hand imho

ever wonder why that first one was never taken up by the pentagon? it would have solved a ton of problems for them... (fuel for an army is considered to be one of the most daunting logistical tasks out there! not to mention, if this were true they could have a navy that refuels from the water it sails on!)
it's because on further review it was proven that the vehicle wasn't powered by water at all, but in fact had another power source.

The second one shows a flame of burning hydrogen and oxygen, what it doesn't tell you is that it took more energy in radio wave input then the flame produced in heat.

It really is that simple, the only way to get water to burn is to separate the hydrogen and oxygen, the only way to do that is with added energy, and it takes more energy to do that than you can recover from the combustion of those elements.

It boils down to the law of thermodynamics, energy can not be created or destroyed. When you burn hydrogen it oxidizes, or re-combines with oxygen, the end result is water and energy in the form of heat, in fact it creates the same amount of water as it took to extract the hydrogen in the first place, so where does the energy come from? it's the same energy that you put in to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen.

People have been "inventing" this since the 1800s, Every few years one of them manages to convince some news people to report on it, but none have ever managed to prove it in independent tests.

This is just another spin on the perpetual motion machine we've all learned about in school, it doesn't exist. people will continue to dream, and as long as they do so, some person will be happy to run off with people's money...

I will be happy to post my results once I get everything installed. Could be another month or two before testing resumes. I will definitely be spreading the word once I have substantial findings to report.

These sites may prove interesting to some:

http://www.hydrogengarage.com
http://www.eagle-research.com
http://www.hydrogen-boost.com

and check out chat forums on Yahoo. Talk to scientists and engineers about their findings and results and models.

Yahoo groups: hydroxy, watercar, etc.

I should also caution that in addition to getting worse fuel economy, there is a very real danger of damage to the engine from these systems.
Internal combustion engines are designed in such a way that the fuel ignites at a specific time in the compression stroke of the engine, adding hydrogen to the fuel mix could cause the fuel to ignite early which is not good for the engine. The engine is also not likely to be happy with water being produced inside it which is likely to cause increased corrosion on many components...

Do this at your own risk!

This is interesting with people on both sides of the fence, and looks like it has been covered pretty well at another site, so perhaps many of the arguements about to pop up here may have already been gone over here:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/05/29 ... ctrolyzer/

Unfortunately, Mr. Meyer is no longer around to tell us about his invention - let alone sell us his proposed DIY kit for $1,500 - because he was poisoned. His brother, however, has continued his research to the best of his ability and posted Stan's notes and patent info. Stan was not a trained scientist or engineer, so his notes use terms not accepted by the scientific or engineering community, and they can be hard to decipher. I'm sure that if you can make sense of his research, prove theories correct, and build a working prototype, the world as a whole would really appreciate it. Post your comments, findings, thoughts and discussions for all to hear.

Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell

I was going to stay out of this but I cant let Green 1 have all the fun.
Wan, I am all for the water fuel setup and almost went a built a kit to try and test it myself.
Now, ask yourself, why would the RPM drop when the thing turn ons and not rise? It is because the amount of energy required to produce the electricity to make the gas exceeds by far, the amount of energy the gas can produce. You can put another 10 alternators on if you want, guess what, it is going to be the same. The more the capacity of the alternator, the more energy it takes to run. If your alternator can handle 200 amps, rpm will still drop, why you ask, because you are still adding load. The only difference now will be that instead of droping to 12 volts, your alt will still be able to maintain 14 volts.
I will however keep an open mind and instead of saying "it wont work" (I do believe it can make the gas), I am going to say, yours isnt working.

The comparison to a perpetual motion machine seems dead on. I simply can't see how this would increase efficiency in a universe where our laws of thermodynamics hold sway.

But I'm no scientist, and I'm very open to learning new things. All I ask is that you show me the peer-reviewed research to back it up. Heck, I challenge you to find even one peer-reviewed article that supports the concept.