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Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:40 pm
by fexlboi
Delicanadabc wrote: Does the kit come in black, cuss if there is any chrome on there you know flexibo won't like it!!! :shock: :-D :-D :-D :-D
You are so right: :-D I HATE CHROME! 8-) :M

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:09 pm
by captainkurt
Hey guys, let us know how this works. I am curios to hear what Delica owners have to say - this concept really intrigues me.

Cheers,

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:07 pm
by guamdoc
delicat wrote:I'll take pics for you Guamdoc but for now just curious what's your take on the following:

You suggest mounting the nozzles pre-turbo and at the intake but on your site they either don't recommend it (pre-turbo) or that it's very difficult and would require reducing the fuel delivery (intake)

Pre-Turbo water

"We don't recommend this location at all if you do not have the proper equipment such as the proper nozzle, nozzle size and high pressure pump. Locating the nozzle here is the most controversial location. The majority of alcohol/water injection users do not use this location. One reason for someone to inject at this location is the water/methanol mixture chemically alters the turbo compressor map. The water/methanol injection will dynamically shifts the compressor map of the turbo so that it has the compressor map exhibits the characteristics of a larger turbo. This sounds great but, the main issue with pre-turbo nozzle placement is what mixture can damage the compressor blade if the mixture is not properly atomized when passing through the turbo.

In order to inject pre-turbo with out compressor damage you need a high quality low volume nozzle and high enough pressure to get the water as finely misted as possible, and the smaller nozzle which allows for smaller/finer water droplets. We recommend you mount the nozzle as close to the compresser as possible."

So, can we expect compressor blades damages or the D01 will provide the required atomization?

Intake manifold

This location can be the most complex area to install. Usually requiring that he intake be removed for access. Injecting here is going to yield the largest water/methanol droplets. And with the closer proximity to the combustion chambers is going to provide a larger amount of mixture into the cylinders. Doing this usually requires more fuel from the factory system be removed. This option is best for max cooling.

The water here is being injected in a manner much like port fuel injection and it is the bigger water molecules being injected here that have a more direct effect of in cylinder cooling and injection here has more of an effect of altering the flame front of the combustion charge in a way much like a higher octane fuel. To take full advantage of this nozzle location it is suggested that trimming away some of the factory dumped fuel be done. In other words, in order to take advantage of the better properties of water over fuel for cooling and injecting water at this location, you want to remove the dumped fuel and actually REPLACE this with water. This injection point with a pretty sophisticated WI control method allows for the most advantageous use of water injection. The drawback for nozzles located heres is kit/component complexity, install complexity, additional labor, possible machine shop costs, and possible additional parts costs.

You must carefully read that first sentence in the pre turbo section.
if you do not have the proper equipment such as the proper nozzle, nozzle size and high pressure pump.
It means you can't do this with a 50psi pump, using a 10gph nozzle ect, We have the proper equipment designed just for the highest possible atomization.

The second part about injecting at the intake manifold mostly applies to gas engines. You do not need to pull fuel like they do to get air fuel rations correct for max power. You should mount your nozzle right before the rubber connector / hose on the intake or just after the intercooler if you have one.

Only pic I have
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Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:51 am
by Delicanadabc
Sweet! Due to a minor mix up with the address for the order, I was able to get in my order placed with your too. I got a feeling that you will work out all the kinks while I am away... Can't wait to see the results.

A huge thanks to all who made this possible!!!

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:38 am
by FalcoColumbarius
You guys have to document the installation and results of this endeavour and post it.

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:17 am
by delicat
FalcoColumbarius wrote:You guys have to document the installation and results of this endeavour and post it.
Sir, yes sir!
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Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:31 am
by Profister
Delicat, I am crying i.e lol.

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:59 pm
by FalcoColumbarius
OMG.... Is that origami?

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:24 am
by mararmeisto
And why is he saluting with the left hand? :o

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:45 am
by Golf Cart
FalcoColumbarius wrote:OMG.... Is that origami?

No, Its the new INVIRO-SOLDIER. Made with 100% recycled products. The grenade is really a re-cycled juice box filled with shards from plastic milk cartons.

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:19 am
by Profister
And why is he saluting with the left hand?
Because he is RHD. :M

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:21 am
by mararmeisto
Profister wrote:
And why is he saluting with the left hand?
Because he is RHD. :M
Now, that's a good one. :?

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:48 am
by guamdoc
Anyone started on the install yet? Just checking.

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:38 am
by fexlboi
guamdoc wrote:Anyone started on the install yet? Just checking.
Still waiting for your package to arrive...

Re: Alcohol-water injection for Turbo diesels Good cheap HP/TQ

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:51 am
by Profister
The package was cleared in customs in Toronto on Feb 24th.