Seafoam Discussion

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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby Firesong » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:11 pm

For yee who saidith Homeopathy is bunk.
I disagree. :P
And I have first hand continual experience about that.. not just
he said she said...

Anyway...
I was always worried about getting an air lock in the diesel system.
Today I figured what the heck.

Changed the oil and bypass filter to heavier weight for the summer.
Took the valve cover off and the half moon, redid the gaskets
AND

Replaced the fuel filter.
I didn`t have extra fuel hose so I decided to go the route of
filling the filter with Sea Foam and running it through.
During the initial run phase I had no smoke while it was burning through
Seemed to run at a higher idle although the RPM gauge didn`t indicate so.
After a 10 min run at 1500 rpm, then a 10 minute stop, then a drive for 20
min at higher RPM the van was running very very smooth. At idle, running
very nice, although running a straight pipe exhaust doesn`t exactly mean
Im running quiet.

Im not sure when the fuel filter was last changed... probably 80k ago so that
was definitely needed.

No air locks or such, runs great!

FS

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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby Mr. Flibble » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:11 pm

Firesong wrote:For yee who saidith Homeopathy is bunk.
I disagree. :P
And I have first hand continual experience about that.. not just
he said she said...

Anyway...
I was always worried about getting an air lock in the diesel system.
Today I figured what the heck.

Changed the oil and bypass filter to heavier weight for the summer.
Took the valve cover off and the half moon, redid the gaskets
AND

Replaced the fuel filter.
I didn`t have extra fuel hose so I decided to go the route of
filling the filter with Sea Foam and running it through.
During the initial run phase I had no smoke while it was burning through
Seemed to run at a higher idle although the RPM gauge didn`t indicate so.
After a 10 min run at 1500 rpm, then a 10 minute stop, then a drive for 20
min at higher RPM the van was running very very smooth. At idle, running
very nice, although running a straight pipe exhaust doesn`t exactly mean
Im running quiet.

Im not sure when the fuel filter was last changed... probably 80k ago so that
was definitely needed.

No air locks or such, runs great!

FS


Homeopathy is bunk.

It DOES have an effect, and this effect has been proven to be the placebo effect.



Seafoam may work, it may not. I am just the sort that likes empirical evidence.
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Seafoam Discussion

Postby Firesong » Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:26 pm

It wasnt proven at all. It is not a placebo effect dealing with the side effects off methotrexate. Be a doubting Thomas all you want. They are actually showing a potential link to DNA effects which Monsanto is trying to suppress since it will potentially cause issues with their mutated lines if canola. Cutting edge not old video.

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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby Mr. Flibble » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:32 pm

Firesong wrote:It wasnt proven at all. It is not a placebo effect dealing with the side effects off methotrexate. Be a doubting Thomas all you want. They are actually showing a potential link to DNA effects which Monsanto is trying to suppress since it will potentially cause issues with their mutated lines if canola. Cutting edge not old video.


Monsanto is not trying to suppress homeopathy. Homeopathy is just pure water that supposedly carries a "memory" of what was in it as referenced in the video. If this is true, we are all drinking the memory of pee in all our water, and it is having an effect too. Monsanto does not care about pure water as a treatment, they are a genetics company that is very litigious.

I am not so much a "doubting Thomas" as I am someone who is educated in Biology and Science, and knows how genetics works, and what Homeopathy purports to do.
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Seafoam Discussion

Postby Firesong » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:33 am

My reference was not that they were suppressing homeopathy but the research showing that altered DNA in things does effect us. Their claim is that it doesn't and as such their altered products do not effect humans when consumed. Anyway, this is off topic and so is your doubting sea foam works over the many times you have said the same over and over.

My ride is running better for it.

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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby Mr. Flibble » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:17 am

Firesong wrote:My reference was not that they were suppressing homeopathy but the research showing that altered DNA in things does effect us. Their claim is that it doesn't and as such their altered products do not effect humans when consumed. Anyway, this is off topic and so is your doubting sea foam works over the many times you have said the same over and over.

My ride is running better for it.


Note, I am not doubting Sea Foam works - it very well might. There is a significant difference here. All I am asking for is empirical evidence that it does. I am also interested in making your own sea foam as it is cheaper, and from what I have read on the internet is easy to do.

If it works, well then great! That is awesome, I will be inclined to use it. I would just like to know how it works, and what specifically it helps and through what method. So far I have only heard speculation.
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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby tonydca » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:42 pm

rezdiver wrote:Seafoam can actually be left in the crankcase and does not have to be flushed :

For the crankcase:

from their website:
http://www.seafoamsales.com/tech-info-diesel-engines/

(For all diesel engines)
Sea Foam Motor Treatment may be used in an oil crankcase 2 separate ways, depending on your needs and expectations. Sea Foam Motor Treatment is most commonly used as a pre-service, old oil residue re-liquefier / cleaner and moisture drier. It can also be used as an after-service oil additive. In either application, Sea Foam Motor Treatment will safely and slowly re-liquefy old oil residue. Each method is described below:

1. As a pre service cleaner in diesel engines, to treat old oil residue, sticky rings or valve train noise. One pint Sea Foam Motor Treatment will treat 2.5 gallons of oil (NOTE: this is different for gasoline engines – see separate tech bulletin.) Drive a MINIMUM of 30 minutes/miles, MAXIMUM 60 minutes/ miles, and then do your oil change service. This begins the process of safely/slowly re liquefying the old oil residue so contaminants may flow and be filtered. This also makes your old oil dirtier, quickly, so a oil change service is necessary when the oil gets dirty. Great for Turbocharged & Supercharged applications where oils deteriorate so quickly due to heat, and leave those residues that NEED CLEANING.

2. As an after service additive into fresh oil, nearly fresh oil, or oil (used condition) that is NOT ready to be changed (based on mileage since last oil change), put the same amount of Sea Foam Motor Treatment into the crankcase as described above, and then regularly monitor your oil for color and clarity. Set a predetermined schedule for checking the oil condition on a mileage, timed, or event basis (like every time you add fuel, etc.) to determine when an oil service is necessary. Monitoring of the oil for color and clarity will tell you when it is time to do an oil change service. NOTE: Do not exceed 3,000 miles without changing the oil.

Sea Foam is safe to use with all synthetic oils. 100% synthetic oils, and blends of synthetic and petroleum-based oils, were engineered and are manufactured to be 100% compatible with petroleum based oils, all brands, and vice/versa. Without this compatibility, oil manufacturers and engineers would be liable for the results of mixing non-compatible lubricants. Since Sea Foam ONLY contains petroleum oils, it is entirely compatible with synthetic oils.

Remember! When Using Sea Foam in Your Crankcase:

•Check your oil and monitor its color & clarity to determine need for a oil change service!
•Change your oil when it gets dirty!


Based on what I saw when I ran Seafoam in my crankcase, I'm going to disagree *very* strongly with case #2 above.

big-ol-post-on-keeping-your-diesel-running-cleanly-12355.html

Quoting what Seafoam recommends, you can't monitor colour and clarity on these diesels; the oil gets inky black after a couple of hundred kilometers.

The lightweight distillates in Seafoam cut the viscosity of the oil down to nothing; I can not believe it is providing the same protection/lubricating effects when it is that thin and runny.

I believe their claims that it works great to dislodge and/or dissolve hydrocarbon-based deposits in the engine, but no way I'd run it like that for very long.
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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby rezdiver » Tue May 01, 2012 10:17 am

tonydca wrote:Based on what I saw when I ran Seafoam in my crankcase, I'm going to disagree *very* strongly with case #2 above.

big-ol-post-on-keeping-your-diesel-running-cleanly-12355.html

Quoting what Seafoam recommends, you can't monitor colour and clarity on these diesels; the oil gets inky black after a couple of hundred kilometers.

The lightweight distillates in Seafoam cut the viscosity of the oil down to nothing; I can not believe it is providing the same protection/lubricating effects when it is that thin and runny.

I believe their claims that it works great to dislodge and/or dissolve hydrocarbon-based deposits in the engine, but no way I'd run it like that for very long.



you are combining the idea of viscocity and lubricity in the same category for protection. its possible that the seafoam cuts viscocity but actually maintains lubricity and that is why they are stating on their site that it can be used.
viscocity will affect the pressures and flow rates of the oil pump but as long as the lubricity is chemically maintained its possible that it can be used. similar to using 20W50 in the summer and 0W30 in the winter for some vehicles but probably to a little bit more of an extreme depending on how much seafoam you are adding to your oil.
I would say as long as your oil pressure is not greatly affected you are still protected.
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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby tonydca » Tue May 01, 2012 2:49 pm

If that were the case, then why wouldn't all engine oil be runny like water all the time? It would improve cold flow characteristics, get into smaller nooks and crannies for better lubrication/coverage, etc., etc....

I have to believe that normal "unSeafoamed" engine oil is the viscosity it is for a reason; I'm not saying don't Seafoam your engine, just flush it and drop it afterwards.

Edit: From Wikipedia/"Engine Oil":

- under "Use":...In petrol (gasoline) engines, the top piston ring can expose the motor oil to temperatures of 160 °C (320 °F). In diesel engines the top ring can expose the oil to temperatures over 315 °C (600 °F). Motor oils with higher viscosity indices thin less at these higher temperatures...

- under "Properties": ...One of the most important properties of motor oil in maintaining a lubricating film between moving parts is its viscosity. The viscosity of a liquid can be thought of as its "thickness" or a measure of its resistance to flow. The viscosity must be high enough to maintain a lubricating film, but low enough that the oil can flow around the engine parts under all conditions...

- further down: ...A too low HTHS (High Temperature, High Shear) viscosity and protection of piston rings and journal bearings may be compromised. Thus engines requiring SAE 0W-20 oil do so because their operating temperatures are far lower than those using SAE-40 viscosity oil....

From everything I've read, diesel engines rely heavily upon the quality of their lubricating oil. Not something I'd mess around with too much.
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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby Firesong » Tue May 01, 2012 5:04 pm

Can gas motors handle running seafoam through them like diesels
Thinking the injectors of my subaru could use a thorough cleaning.
Guessing not

**************
Went to the website and answered my own question. Not:
http://www.seafoamsales.com/tech-info-gas-engines/

Closest to it is 50)50%
"Fuel injector cleaning machines in a controlled environment use Sea Foam Motor Treatment as their safe cleaning agent mixed with gasoline or ethanol blend at a ratio of 50% gasoline or ethanol blend & 50% Sea Foam Motor Treatment."

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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby Mr. Flibble » Tue May 01, 2012 5:42 pm

Firesong wrote:Can gas motors handle running seafoam through them like diesels
Thinking the injectors of my subaru could use a thorough cleaning.
Guessing not

**************
Went to the website and answered my own question. Not:
http://www.seafoamsales.com/tech-info-gas-engines/

Closest to it is 50)50%
"Fuel injector cleaning machines in a controlled environment use Sea Foam Motor Treatment as their safe cleaning agent mixed with gasoline or ethanol blend at a ratio of 50% gasoline or ethanol blend & 50% Sea Foam Motor Treatment."

FS


I saw a bottle of Seafoam for a gas engine in a NAPA in Sumner WA the other day.
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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby nxski » Tue May 01, 2012 10:36 pm

Mr. Flibble wrote:
Firesong wrote:Can gas motors handle running seafoam through them like diesels
Thinking the injectors of my subaru could use a thorough cleaning.
Guessing not

**************
Went to the website and answered my own question. Not:
http://www.seafoamsales.com/tech-info-gas-engines/

Closest to it is 50)50%
"Fuel injector cleaning machines in a controlled environment use Sea Foam Motor Treatment as their safe cleaning agent mixed with gasoline or ethanol blend at a ratio of 50% gasoline or ethanol blend & 50% Sea Foam Motor Treatment."

FS


I saw a bottle of Seafoam for a gas engine in a NAPA in Sumner WA the other day.


I saw a kid buying seafoam for his 1990 cuvic at Lordco yesterday. The gentleman behind the counter told him it was safe to use as an oil additive. Then again, those who can't do sell parts... :?
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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby Pajero » Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:08 pm

So was going to change my fuel lines from the fuel filter and thought about running some more seafoam through it, but do you just take the two lines from the fuel filter and put them in a jar? and run until almost gone?

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Re: Seafoam Discussion

Postby CREGAN » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:49 pm

Hey just wondering if you do the seafoam on the crankcase with every oil change or just once in a while?

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Postby shealy » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:59 pm

I wouldn't think it'd be that advisable to do it every change. Never know what else that stuff can be breaking down (gaskets, bearings, seals etc). Probably best to do it only once in a while.


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