Diesel Moot

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What Diesel Do You Use?

Chevron
5
11%
PetroCan
7
15%
Shell
3
6%
Shell V Power
2
4%
Husky/Mohawk Diesel Max
5
11%
Esso/Imperial Oil
1
2%
Co-op
3
6%
Other
12
26%
Don't Care
9
19%
 
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Diesel Moot

Postby FalcoColumbarius » Sat May 10, 2014 8:57 pm

(Formerly "What's with Husky Diesel?")

I'm not sure if it's just me and a few Delica drivers that I've talked to but it's almost like Husky is still serving Winter diesel. Why they have started selling Winter diesel in the Lower Mainland is beyond me as it never gets to -15°. In around November of last year my mileage changed and it's remained this way. Anyone else notice this?

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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby Shaun Van Ramen » Wed May 14, 2014 10:25 pm

I recently noticed that mine went back up a little so I figured they are back to summer formula. Makes you go Hmmm!
The price of diesel is what burns my bum!!!
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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby FalcoColumbarius » Fri May 16, 2014 2:47 pm

Shaun Van Ramen wrote:...The price of diesel is what burns my bum!!!

No doubt. I just filled up at the PetroCan at Mtn Hwy. Two cents a litre more, will see how the mileage looks after this tank. I've talked with Bassnailer and Tonka and they both have noticed poor fuel economy. Tonka has gone to Chevron, will see how that turns out. Typically I should be getting 8.5 kilometres per litre, this Winter it has been like 7 to 7.5 at best.

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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby sasquatch-hunter » Sun May 18, 2014 11:04 am

I have bad experience with PetroCan's diesel. Husky's here is at 1.45. I think they just switched to summer diesel. Doesn't matter too much; I use about 200ml of 2 stroke oil every tank.

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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby FalcoColumbarius » Fri May 23, 2014 2:08 pm

Right. When I first started driving my Delica I noticed a pattern with how the needle acted as I used up fuel. In around October of last year (2013) I damaged the wires to my fuel sender whilst traversing a creek bed and had intermittent fuel readings, until I repaired it in February of this year. When I repaired it the gauge pattern had changed. I figured that as I had landed on a big rock and slightly dented my aft fuel tank ~ this could be the reason why it was reading differently.

Flash back a few years ago: I was given twenty litres of WVO to mix with ~ I estimate forty litres of dino diesel. My fuel economy was awful, getting six kliks to the litre on the highway. I discussed this with a guy (outside the Delica Community) that had set his Hilux up for WVO and he explained to me that because vegetable oil has less calories than dino diesel, ergo the economy is not that good ~ the reason he uses it is because it's free (for him).

So now, as mentioned at the beginning of this thread, I noticed a distinct change in economy with Husky diesel. The guy at the station told me that the reason for this was because they were now using Winter diesel. I asked him why he was using Winter diesel in the Lower Mainland which rarely, if ever, sees minus fifteen degrees. In fact it was was plus ten degrees. He carried on that they had always done this... which I know is not true. April rolls around and I guess we are still using Winter diesel, so I fill up at PetroCan.

So here we are: My needle is behaving as it used to; I'm at around the 325 klik mark and my needle is just below the half mark instead of just above the E line, like it's been the last few months with the Husky Diesel Max, which is formulated with bio fuel incidentally. I'm wondering if the Husky fuel formula has been changed recently with more bio fuel.

Husky is related to Chevron and from what I've heard the two fuels are formulated in the same laboratory ~ 'though this has not been confirmed, but I have heard this from different sources, including employees of Husky.

What are other member's fuel economy findings? I mean... I paid two cents a litre more for the PetroCan diesel than for the Husky but gawd, the economy is appearing so much better!

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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby sasquatch-hunter » Fri May 23, 2014 8:25 pm

Another factor for me is that I use AWD môde from October to basically March. And the wàrm up time causing the poor mileage in winter.

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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby FalcoColumbarius » Sun May 25, 2014 1:21 pm

I warm up every morning that I use the wagon, Winter or Summer. Puts less stress on the motor. Usually around four or five minutes at 1100RPM, 'til the thermostat opens.
sasquatch-hunter wrote:I have bad experience with PetroCan's diesel. Husky's here is at 1.45. ...

I'm sure there's been a bad experience with every fuel out there. One could say I've just had a bad experience with my beloved Husky Mohawk. Typically I've avoided diesel from small stations that never appear to have people filling with diesel because I fear condensation in the fuel. Husky Diesel Max is at $1.44.9 in North Van, PetroCan ULSD is at $1.46.9. I've not tried the Shell or Chevron, 'though one guy I know fills at Chevron and says it's a 100 kilometre per sixty litres difference from Husky.

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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby sasquatch-hunter » Mon May 26, 2014 7:59 am

I used to work with Mike, haha!

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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby FalcoColumbarius » Fri May 30, 2014 7:28 pm

Well... I finally refueled and this is what I found: I Calculated my kilometreage and I went from seven kilometres per litre to eight kilometres per litre. As I fueled at sixty litres, with fifteen litres of Husky still in my tanks ~ that's an extra 60 more kilometres out of the tank, all city. The next time I fuel up will give me a better idea as there will have been pretty much all PetroCan in the tanks.

While I was there I got to talking with this trucker. He is originally from Fiji and walked up to me and asked if it was a 4D55 or a 4D56? Well, 4D56, with a T, of course! Anyway, after I showed him my motor we got to talking about diesel. He figures that the best available is Shell, followed by Chevron, then PetroCan. He said that his experiences with PetroCan has involved condensation in the fuel (he was fueling at PetroCan because it was the company truck/company account). So far my wagon's performing much better, with better mileage ~ she's a happy camper, as it were.

I think I'll give Shell a go the next time. Perhaps were should get a dedicated fuel thread going with a pole question. There have been a few threads on diesel related issues already so... Diesel Moot!

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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby nxski » Sat May 31, 2014 11:33 am

I get, as near as makes no difference, the same fuel economy, no matter where I fill-up. I do try to stick to places that are frequented and avoid Esso's biodiesel, but Husky, Shell, PetroCan and Chevron all seem to get the job done when mixed with Petrolabs and some 2-stroke oil. The biggest gain in fuel economy came recently when I pumped up my tires from 37 front, 32 rear to 45 front, 40 rear and brought my fuel economy from 14L/100km to 12.5L/100km.
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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby super7 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:28 pm

I drive a old swb paj and recently started buying diesel out in the valley instead of the husky by my house. Been getting 50-75 more km per tank. A tank now lasts me 450 to 475km.
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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby patriceboivin » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:56 am

The Husky oil refinery is in Alberta, right next to the Saskatchewan border. Maybe they truck the diesel to BC from there?

About 10 years ago my wife worked as a temp at Coastal trucking here in Dartmouth NS, they truck fuel through the Maritimes.
There aren't many refineries or fuel depots in NS, sometimes trucks from another service station company will go fill up at the ESSO refinery.

Some of the smaller fuel retailers are selling the same stuff, they buy it wholesale at local refineries and fuel depots. Maybe the individual service stations add their own additives, not sure.
It seems as if the big oil companies met and decided to set up refineries, one per province, and divvied up the territory that way rather than competing for markets because it costs millions to set up refineries.
They may be trucking some from province to province but that would cut their profit margins.

Irving wouldn't buy their fuel at ESSO, they have their own refinery in St. John, NB and fuel depot in Dartmouth NS. They truck it around and we see their trucks all the time.

There are not many Shell service stations in Atlantic Canada.
Shell doesn't have a refinery anywhere near here, maybe they truck it from Montreal where they used to have a refinery?
When I type Shell refinery in Google Maps all I get is one refinery in Puget Sound, BC.
In NS the Shell stations are all along the Trans Canada highway, from the border to Halifax.

Ultramar had an oil refinery in Dartmouth NS, but it closed some years ago (they took provincial government money, stayed open for a while, then closed -- in the media they reported it as a breach of contract). Now it's just a fuel depot.

The Canadian Tire Gas+ stations probably get their fuel from ESSO here, maybe from other local refineries depending on where they are.
Loblaws ("Atlantic Superstore" here, LOL) probably do the same. Same thing with Sobeys gas stations.

I guess the trick in BC would be to figure out who buys from the Shell refinery? Shell stations for sure, but there may be local independent retailers who like to compete on price.

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Re: What's with Husky Diesel?

Postby FalcoColumbarius » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:12 pm

One thing I would like to understand better is that Shell has two grades of diesel, would like to really understand what that actually means. Never seen more than one grade per station, usually it's either diesel yes or no.

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Postby FalcoColumbarius » Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:12 pm

Okay, I finally refueled after the second tank of PetroCan and my mileage worked out to 8.3 kliks per litre (city). Now I'm getting another 80ish kilometres per tank since I was using Husky. This time I fueled up with "Shell V Power Diesel". I've only gone 70 kliks thus far but I gotta say ~ she feels as though she has more spunk to her.

I was reading in the article on the Shell Canada site that Shell feels this is the best diesel that they have ever formulated, has a higher cetane rating and is good for all diesel engines. They are using a nitrogen additive that adds to the lubricity.

"
At a glance

Shell V-Power Diesel is our best-ever diesel fuel, specially created for today's diesel engine technology.


Shell V-Power Diesel is developed by Shell's international scientists to work in all diesel-powered engines, and contains a unique additive technology that helps provide optimal year-round engine protection and performance for Canada's unique weather conditions.

What's in it

Shell V Power Diesel is designed to help clean your fuel injectors for optimal performance. It is specially formulated for year-round Canadian weather conditions, with a cetane improver, a de-icer and a corrosion inhibitor.


How it works


Cleaning Power - As you drive, deposits can build up on fuel injectors. These deposits can compromise the functioning of your engine, such as impaired fuel spray and reduced fuel flow. The result - poor engine combustion.


Shell V-Power Diesel helps clean those performance-robbing deposits, resulting in better engine protection and improved combustion. And with continued use, you'll help maintain the efficiency of your vehicle's engine.


Cetane improver - A cetane improver helps offer quicker ignition and better cold-weather starting.


De-icer - A de-icer additive helps prevent the formation of ice in your fuel tank and fuel lines for better cold-weather starting.


Corrosion inhibitor - A corrosion inhibitor helps protect steel and steel alloy parts in your fuel system.

Is it for me?

Shell V-Power Diesel is the right fuel for drivers who care about their engine and expect the best performance and quality from a diesel fuel.

Shell V-Power Diesel has been designed by Shell’s international team of fuels scientists and is our best-ever diesel fuel.

Shell V-Power Diesel is designed to give more cleaning power and can be used with confidence in all diesel engines.
".

I haven't spoken with a living soul who knows their onions, as it were ~ I'm going to call Shell's customer service sometime during this week. One thing I want to find out is how this fuel will react with my usual fuel additive (Howe's Diesel Treat), or if I even need an additive with this fuel. I didn't add one this fuel up. This grade of diesel is two cents dearer than the regular ($1.51.9 per litre) at the time of this posting. If I don't need an additional additive then this fuel is getting cheaper still.

I will also ask if "all diesel engines" includes twenty year old ones with VE-Type injector pumps.
Other links on this fuel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_V-Power

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Re: Diesel Moot

Postby josh » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:41 pm

I clicked "other" only due to the fact that I do not buy diesel (gassers unite!) from any of the above. That said, I tend to consistently return better mpg with Chevron petrol.

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