CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby konadog » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:49 pm

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby DelicaDJ » Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:50 am

Now if only we could all band together & convince the NHTSA to allow these beautiful beasts to be imported to the States at 15, rather than 25, years old! Anybody with me on this?? With such a large group of people on this forum, certainly we can get it done!
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Postby Strada 92 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:59 am

Well for US,all right but the first to convince should be Quebec and PEI.
Here,in quebec, we are already stuck with the ban.
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby DelicaDJ » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:21 am

That is crazy that they have, in effect, banned the best Japanese vehicles solely on the premise of the steering wheel being on the "wrong" side of the road! If you ask me, the left is the "wrong" side of the car, haha! RHD's are safer in many ways!
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby trecar » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:08 am

As a police officer in Calgary, i have been to several collisions (they are not accidents) involving RHD vehicles. And to be honest with you they have all been young 20 yr olds with skylines. As a potential delica owner myself, i see no increase in collisions with RHD vehicles compared to LHD. Like someone already mentioned it is the drivers that cause the collisions not the vehicles. I do believe that you should have some driving experience before driving RHD. These young kids whose first car is a skyline IMHO is not right. These kids (for the most part) are not experienced enough driving LHD let along RHD. For those of us who have been driving a while and recognize the subtle differences between the 2 can adjust well enough. I whole-heartedly agree with someones mention that CADA is only concerned with their revenue rather than safety. They could solve this issue with the auto industry stop gouging us with their absurd prices.

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Postby JR1967 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:00 pm

+1 on the above, except for the remark about absurd pricing......
I am originally from The Netherlands and I just checked some prices to compare: a $13.000 Toyota Yaris goes for $21.000 in Holland and a Toyota Landcruiser V8 that goes for $68.000CAD here, goes for Euro142.000 in Holland..... With todays exchange rate that is 194,677.76 CAD ! Then again the gas is 2.15 per liter, so I guess they won't be selling many V8's....Nuff said I guess.

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby mapleridge818 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:23 am

Sorry, if this is a bit off topic, but then again it's not. Does no one on this forum think RHD vehicles are even slightly more dangerous to drive than a LHD on our roads? First off, I own a Delica, so I do drive a RHD, but I'm not sure I'd let my wife drive it.
Ever notice, in europe and other places in the world, people are better drivers than the bulk of north americans? Go to France (among other places) where they have round abouts that have no painted lines, and are 6 or more lanes wide. For us to look at that, it looks like total mayhem, but people are more alert elsewhere in the world. People focus on the road, and understand the capabilities of their cars. In either Finland or Sweden, before getting your drivers license, you need to pass an extreme driving test, where you lose control of your car in various ways, and then have to recover. In Germany, among a few other places, on some major hwys, there are no speed limits. Can you imagine that here? People would go ape S*#@.
I'm sure most people on this forum are good drivers, and don't drive distracted, and are aware of their surroundings. The problem is, when I go out driving, I see people texting, doing their makeup, eating, drinking, setting their GPS, and no BS, reading books and maps! I used to ride a motorcycle on the road, but opted to stop due to the amount of people that are totally oblivious and completely day dreaming at the wheel here. I went to Ireland a few years ago, and it was not the same story their. People had a job to do, DRIVE THE CAR and they did.
I know the CADA etc wants to due away with RHD, so they sell more cars. I know a lot of RHD vehicles aren't available here, including Skylines, Delicas and Kei type trucks/vans. I know that a RHD 15 year old vehicle is probably in better condition than a local 15 year old vehicle, due to lower Kms, and an inspection before they hit the road.
But does no one think, that someone who isn't a particularly observant driver, might wander towards the center line from time to time, if they switched from LHD to RHD? Or maybe might be startled a bit when they put the wipers on, when they thought they were putting the turn signal on? Or might be in a sketchy situation when they are on a farm road, trying to pass a slow moving tractor, but can't see out around it, in order to pass it? And I'm 99.9% sure, someone, somewhere, in a nice low Skyline or RHD RX7 etc, was making a left hand turn at an intersection, and couldn't see around the vehicle, also making a left hand turn, across the intersection from them, and went for it because they thought it was clear, and got smucked, right in the drivers door.
I think for most of us, driving a RHD vehicle does not pose a risk to ourselves or other drivers. It just seems like everyone on here thinks there is absolutely no possible way, that some unobservant, spaced out, day dreaming ditz, would be at least a bit more likely to crash into something, if they tried a RHD vehicle for a few days. You have to know your limitations, and dimensions of your vehicle to be a good driver, and most drivers these days don't know either, which is a disaster waiting to happen in any vehicle, but I think, slightly more so in a RHD.
That being said, I also think the people that would be at risk in a RHD vehicle, would be equally at risk, in a large motor home, high powered car, pulling a trailer, or in panel van, with no rear windows, and there are no groups trying to fight those things.
I just know, if I had a 16 year old kid, that wanted either a 4 runner or a Hilux, I'd make sure they got the 4 runner.
Don't take this the wrong way, I am NOT pro ban on RHD vehicles. People are free to choose what they drive, as they should be, but to claim there is nothing dangerous about RHD vehicles is the same kind of ignorance as saying a 350hp Mustang is no more dangerous than a Toyota Camry. Either can be driven safely, but when given to an inexperienced driver, one is more likely to get crashed.

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby nxski » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:57 am

Yes, I do think they are more dangerous but I don't think they are so much more dangerous that it warrants any concern. I choose not to turn left at a light until I can be sure no one is coming the other direction, same procedure if I'm passing on a 2 lane road (which almost never happens). The bonus is I feel better turning right and have an easier time parallel parking. When switching from LHD to RHD I did find myself wandering a bit, same story when I switch back. After having switched back an forth a few times I decided to follow the line of the side I'm on. This means I hug one side of the road over the other but no longer fear accidental wandering.
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby konadog » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:46 am

I don't think an RHD is ANY more dangerous than a LHD here at all - Not even a little bit... None - zip.
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby philmeup1 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:17 am

So I've been driving a Delica for about 2 months now here in Ontario. If I had a nickel for every time someone's asked me how hard it is to drive a right hand vehicle, I'd be retired in Florida with bags of money and my pants too far up my waistline. Well you get the idea.

I often joke that I'm constantly smashing into things and its horrendous to drive. Then I tell them the truth. I don't even think about it and never really have. It's a non issue and I like shifting with my left hand as I'm a lefty anyways.

The issue here really is just about the $$. If ur buying a quality built right hand drive car from Japan, ur probably not buying some Left hand drive junk made here in Canada. But really, is this market so big that its impacting on Larry the Liquidators used car sales? Or even new car sales for that matter? I don't think so. I've had more than a ton of interest in my newly acquired Deli. But no one I know will take the plunge and buy one.

This should be a non issue. And certainly not a news worthy discussion!!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'ma gonna go for a drive, on the wrong...errrr right side of the car:)

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby glenn » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:48 am

If there was any significant difference between driving RHD and LHD ICBC would be all over it. The fact is, ICBC has been tracking us for years, and they have not been able to find enough of a difference to build a case. I agree with konadog - it doesn't make any difference which side of the lane your bum is on

However, I do feel like the driving position in an L300 is about the most dangerous possible place you could put a driver. You are out there in front of 2000 lbs of inertia with almost nothing except your legs to protect you against a collision. But that has nothing to do with being RHD. And having said that, people ride motorcycles, bicycles, and even walk on our roads. I think walking on a road is much more dangerous than driving a RHD.

I would say that overpowered street legal cars with as much as 530 hp from the factory are much more dangerous than driving with your bum on the right.

If we really wanted to make our roads safer, we would ban all teenage males from driving.

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby drrod » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:38 am

"....ban all teenage males from driving....."

Rather than banning them, it would make much more sense for ALL people to have to take (and pass) a comprehensive driving instruction and testing which included actually demonstrating that you can handle a vehicle other than in a straight line and parallel parking. However, until the day comes when driving is considered a privilege and not a right in this country, that will not happen. Too bad.
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby CREGAN » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:10 am

glenn wrote:If we really wanted to make our roads safer, we would ban all teenage males from driving.


Really? I know and understand that teenage males are stupid (having formerly experienced it) and they are prone to stunting and making poor decisions, but I think teenage girls cause an awful lot of problems as well. Talk about distracted! They seem to think that driving (while driving) is secondary to all the other "important" things going on in their lives at that second. I have seen so many horrible teenage girl drivers, who then grow up (I know this will sound slightly sexist but here goes) into terrible women drivers who think the road is theirs. The sense of entitlement on the roads here amoung the pick-up driving ladies is crazy!

I think it goes both ways, except the teenage girls aren't asking for Skylines as their first car- they instead love a the Dodge Ram 1500 or a beautiful used Pontiac Sunfire.

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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby nxski » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:28 am

I know far more teenage girls who've been in accidents than boys. I know even more elderly people. For those who want to ban teenagers from driving just tink how it would feel to have your license taken away when you reach a certain age...yeah, time to rethink that statement. :-D

One more thing to add is that I've been in an accident in every vehicle I've owned (all LHD) except my Delica, for those who want to use this as a "let's ban young drivers" argument, yes, one was my fault but the other two were not. Chances are this is luck of the draw but my statistics show that you are 4X more likely to be in a collision in a LHD vehicle over a RHD vehicle. :?
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Re: CADA Seeking federal ban on RHD imports in Canada!

Postby CREGAN » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:38 am

I think another thing to factor in to the terrible teenage driver arguement is that teenagers are being given fancy fast cars as their first vehicle and not being made to suffer through their first car being a beater. My first car was a $300 79 Toyota celica. I had to do all the work to it and maintain it. When I proved I was good at that they helped me purchase a better vehicle (the bank of mom and dad had way better interest rates that the actual bank). I really don't think a Skyline, or even a Delica, makes a great first vehicle. Suffer through a beater and learn the proper techniques to driving before you get into something fancy and powerful. My opinion.

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