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jfarsang wrote:I just made two. One for David and one for myself (that stayed with my 5spd).

This one may be different. I'm not sure if I will keep a permanently mounted winch or use a cradle that can be inserted into either front/rear tube bumpers.

I don't think I'll make more than the one. I don't have the luxury of time I used to have for fabricating. We'll see when that time comes, most likely march/april.
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are you on patrol4x4 canadian section? If not, sign up !
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I Just registered :-D
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Sweet ride.....I wanted a Safari more than the Delica but the price point between the 2 makes the Deli a better buy IMHO.
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Big-Bird wrote:Sweet ride.....I wanted a Safari more than the Delica but the price point between the 2 makes the Deli a better buy IMHO.
No contest. The Safari is the less expensive vehicle. It's a misconception.

First, comparing L400's to Safari's is grapes to watermelons. The L400 has a place with me just like the L300, Paj and Safari's. They are just all very different animals so comparing is not the best way to look at it. IMO, owning them all in a nice big garage would be the most sensible solution :-D

Price point is not really relevant unless you only look at the initial cost or look no further.

The difference in price in Japan between a solid L400 and Safari is between 100,000 lowside -300,000 highside yen. So for $2,000 more, you get a Safari that will outlast 3-4 L400's in it's lifetime. This is if you are only comparing the cost.

In the long run, my L400's were all more costly than the Safari because the maintenance is much higher but I expect the Safari to last until the engine dies (1,000,000+km's) or the frame rusts(unlikely) or it gets into an accident(knock on wood).

The typical grade 3.5 Safari needs tires, headlights ($30 ea) and brakes when it hits Canada.
The typical grade 3.5 L400 needs tires, headlights ($$$), brakes, shocks, suspension parts, cooling system parts, etc..

There are many exceptions to the rule but I'm talking about the average.

For approx. $8-10,000 you can have a landed great condition Safari. Now that we have 95/96's, most are 12V with factory turbo's so mods are not necessary.

The initial cost landed will be $2,000 or so higher for a Safari but the mechanical/oop will be a lot less compared to a fresh L400.

The running cost of a Safari is dirt cheap. oil changes every 5k, injectors every few years, brakes whenever you needs them. That's it. The L400 requires much more dollars on an initial and ongoing basis to keep it in the same mechanical condition.

Big difference between the two for longterm costs (2+ years of ownership).

The Safari in dollar value spent wins hands down.

Some examples of cheap Safari's with factory turbo's in the past month sold in Japan between $5-7,000 landed in Canada. :shock: Which would make these one's below a few thousand $'s cheaper than any comparable L400 once it's done up in Canada. You just have to keep your eyes on the auctions or have your importer do it for you.

A) addon to auction cost: 237,000 (100,000 exporter fee + 137,000 shipping)

Safari 1A sold for 290,000 + A = 527,000 = $6,900 landed

Safari 2A sold for 290,000 + A = 527,000 = $6,900 landed

Safari 3A sold for 150,000 + A = 387,000 = $5,100 landed

Safari 4A sold for 275,000 + A = 512,000 = $6,700 landed

Safari 4A sold for 300,000 + A = 537,000 = $7,100 landed
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8-)
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Now you are just being mean by flogging my eyes with a bevy of Safari's........The cost of the last Patrol/Safari I checked into was around 8Klanded. I scooped my Space wagon for 5K.

I might still go for a Patrol but not just yet.
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Big-Bird wrote:Now you are just being mean by flogging my eyes with a bevy of Safari's........The cost of the last Patrol/Safari I checked into was around 8Klanded. I scooped my Space wagon for 5K.

I might still go for a Patrol but not just yet.
Just to elaborate on what Jesse was saying about Delicas there: you scooped for 5K, BUT that is just the starting point. Be prepared for all the other costs that will inevitably come once it gets here. I got mine for 12K and since then I am an additional 4.5K in since April/11. Granted it is where I want it to be now, besides needing a tune-up this summer. It just came with some unexpected expenses that at the time don't seem terrible but add up to become a monster. You will really enjoy it once all the little bugs get worked out though.

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L400 5K starting point

Add on approx 2-3k for tires, headlights, mechanical parts - OOP inspection.

Many, myself included have tried to do it for cheap but it never ends up that way, trust me and every other member/owner who says the same. It's just the way it is.

With that said, there is nothing like it in Canada. 8-)
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jfarsang wrote:
Some examples of cheap Safari's with factory turbo's in the past month sold in Japan between $5-7,000 landed in Canada. :shock: Which would make these one's below a few thousand $'s cheaper than any comparable L400 once it's done up in Canada. You just have to keep your eyes on the auctions or have your importer do it for you.

A) addon to auction cost: 237,000 (100,000 exporter fee + 137,000 shipping)

Safari 1A sold for 290,000 + A = 527,000 = $6,900 landed

Safari 2A sold for 290,000 + A = 527,000 = $6,900 landed

Safari 3A sold for 150,000 + A = 387,000 = $5,100 landed

Safari 4A sold for 275,000 + A = 512,000 = $6,700 landed

Safari 4A sold for 300,000 + A = 537,000 = $7,100 landed
jfarsang…….where did you get the above info from……?

Myself personally, I do not think you can buy, land and comply an Safari 4.2TD cheaper than a L400…… nowhere near it I think.

Maybe I am wrong but I do not think it can be done based on the same auction grade and km's between the two make/models. Yes, the L400 is already behind the eight ball due to headlights at $380 but still both vehicles will need a degree of maintance after arrival. But, the Safari costs a "lot" more than the L400 at auction to start with.

Anyway, maybe I am missing something.

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jfarsang wrote:With that said, there is nothing like it in Canada. 8-)
Too right. I love it. :-)
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Hi Mark

I made a mistake on the first one. I was also liberal on the shipping. It's exactly 130,912 and not 137,000.

The Safari 1a sold for 270,000 yen as a grade 3.5/BB but should have been a grade 4/BB. 08.11.2011 NAAFukuoka 72 auction. I missed it. The buyer was laughing on that one.

It was later put back and flipped for 367,000 (still an insane deal - kingsroad with turbo/diff lock/12v sys) on 19.11.2011 USS Kyushu 13492. Missed it then too.

Many times the Safari's are mislabeled and either the owner or the auction house does not know what model it is. This one was listed as a non-turbo grandroad model when in fact it was a kingsroad (loaded) turbo model. See here Nissan EPC : http://nissan.epc-data.com/safari/wrgy6 ... Y60-610046 Factory turbo with 12V system (like the blue one you sold before - uber nice!) Safari's were available from 11/november 1994 up to 02/feb 1997 production span in Japan (sold as 1995-1996).

If you know exactly what you are looking for and have a good person at the auction to inspect it, then it's all about luck and timing as you know. For this white one I bought, it had everything I was looking and then some (rare camping 'kai' edition). Rust issues aside that will be removed, the Safari is below the price I was willing to pay so it worked out well.

I have access to auction houses via my exporter in Japan. Most exporters give access to an online bidding platform or viewing platform that span across a number of auction houses.

The one's I pulled were sold at those prices last month. The cost of the Safari's are higher than L400's in Japan but there are always good deals to be had. Just have to be patient.

The initial service cost and ongoing service costs are much higher for an L400 than a Safari on average. << This is what gets most people. Law of averages. Average grade 3.5 Safari will need tires, $30 headlights, reflectors and fluid changes, possibly shocks. You're looking at a typical $1k for compliance. L400 on the other hand, cooling system, suspension - shocks/tie rods,etc.. , headlights $here they are not cheap, tires and usually brakes. You're looking at a typical $2-3k for compliance.

The good dealers here to not skimp on compliance. They do a thorough mechanical check-replacement. Safari's simply do not need the work as the parts are over built that are considered consumables moreso on the L400.

This is my experience working on both vehicles personally as well as alongside friends/others.

On a side note, I've referred a few people in your direction this past month looking for Safari's. Good to see you're on the boards still :M

Here is the real dollar values :

So this Safari would be as follows if someone in Canada bought it at 270,000 auction sale price:

Auction cost : 270,000
Exporter fee : 100,000
Shipping : 130,912 (including in-land shipping from auction house - facility - port)
Total : 500,912 yen @ 74.174 CAD/JPY exchange rate

Landed = $6,755 CDN

370,000 - customs value = $4,990

6.1% duty - $305
5% GST - $250
A/C fee - $100
port fee - $125
diesel - $100
temp ins - $35

Total fees (not including mechanical) $915

Total sitting in your driveway after taxes, etc... : $7,670 You're paying close to that for a similar grade L400 maybe $1,000 less but the compliance work will cost more than that making the difference cheaper alternative in the Safari owner's favor.
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I wish it'd always be that easy... and cheap! But it ain't so most of the time. There are good deal to be had on the Safari and so for the 400. But Jesse's got a point. I had a L300 (amazing van) for a few years and the maintenance cost was way higher than my Safari with twice the abuse.

When I bought my Safari I didn't try to get a great deal, I tried instead for a great truck and got what I was looking for; newer 5spd model in stupidly clean condition (4/BB) and low mileage (76,000km). It came with a bunch of extras (roof rack, ladder, diff lock...) but the price was close to $10,000 landed. Even so, since ownership the only money I spent on the truck are basically mods. Maintenance and repair have been basically non-existent aside from the initial headlights ($70), fluids and little side reflectors...

I still love (and miss) the Delica which is why I still bum my way around this forum (and I have a Pajero so technically... legit!) but the Safari is in a class of it's own...

Anyway, that pope mobil will look really good once all the rust is dealt with and some black goodies replace the stock ones. And for Pete's sake, get rid of that stupid hood ornament! :mrgreen:

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man, nice safari!! i was THIS close to getting one almost 6 years ago, instead, i picked up an 80 series at a relatively good deal at the time (compared to what outback and luxuryimports) were selling them for just before the start of the jdm diesel truck crash, ableit with little preservice/but hasn't needed much...but it was a 4B with 49k's kms. there isn't a day that goes by with "i shoulda coulda woulda's" as safaris were cheaper then too... guess these prices you talk about are a reflection of of the jdm market... during peak, safaris were goin for 15G's and cruisers 18G's give or take (in high auction grade). i have no regrets and love the 80 but i've always had a soft spot for patrols..i remember talking with canucksafari and twinotter600 about them and i was sold a long time ago...the only draw back, at the time, was my perception of lack of parts availability when the cruisers already had a strong following in n.america...not the case anymore i guess. i love the bombproof TD4.2, 3rd row seating and the high roof, the basic dash set up, vacuum locker, sway bar disconnect, and the stronger axles (not that i need these really) ! this truck is waaay overkill, lol. our 80 has been a great family hauler (mild wheeler so far), and the l400 is that much more practical and fun for hauling with the inlaws and roady's (but with 2 baby seats, it'd be tricky to get in and out of the 3rd row and there isn't that isle to move around in that minivans have..anyway).

realistically, i'd prolly be looking at aroudn 12G's minimum for a safari landedn in s.ontario....if and when, maybe it'll be my next rig but i'm not tired of the 80 just yet ;). anyway, congrats on the purchase and lookin forward to the mods/build!
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I like the Safari unfortunately it does not come in a cabforward design and I need the space....Now, a safari chassis under a L300 you would be onto something :-D :-D :-D :-D .
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