WVO while apartment living

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WVO while apartment living

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Is it possible to run a Deli on WVO while living in an apartment do you think? Or, should I wait until I get a house again so I can have a filtration shack like Adam is using? I am stuck in a 1 year lease at this point, and houses are so much more expensive here in Victoria than Nanaimo. :(

Would it be feasible to do WVO processing on the go?
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Mr. Flibble wrote:Is it possible to run a Deli on WVO while living in an apartment do you think? Or, should I wait until I get a house again so I can have a filtration shack like Adam is using? I am stuck in a 1 year lease at this point, and houses are so much more expensive here in Victoria than Nanaimo. :(

Would it be feasible to do WVO processing on the go?
on the go is a bit of a holy grail. you could team up with someone else though, or trade a ratio of dirty oil for clean with someone or the like. I have a filter and a place to use it but haven't been doing git for a bit :( Let me know if you want to start a bit of a co-op type thing.
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loki wrote:
Mr. Flibble wrote:Is it possible to run a Deli on WVO while living in an apartment do you think? Or, should I wait until I get a house again so I can have a filtration shack like Adam is using? I am stuck in a 1 year lease at this point, and houses are so much more expensive here in Victoria than Nanaimo. :(

Would it be feasible to do WVO processing on the go?
on the go is a bit of a holy grail. you could team up with someone else though, or trade a ratio of dirty oil for clean with someone or the like. I have a filter and a place to use it but haven't been doing git for a bit :( Let me know if you want to start a bit of a co-op type thing.
I would totally be up for this. I don't think it would be much of a problem to collect WVO from all the places near me here in the downtown core. Provided that, there is no competition in this space already. Of course, I still would have to get my L400 and Veggie kit installed on it, but I figure I will have my Deli within the next 2 months. (I have no desire to rush in and buy a Lemon as I did with my 89 4Runner).
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Loki, would you have any issue with me bringing by WVO before I get my Deli? I expect that I might have to wait 2-3 months to get the one I want, but at the same time I am sourcing out WVO collection areas near my work.
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Mr. Flibble wrote:Loki, would you have any issue with me bringing by WVO before I get my Deli? I expect that I might have to wait 2-3 months to get the one I want, but at the same time I am sourcing out WVO collection areas near my work.
not a huge deal, I guess I should get to filtering the stuff that I do have to clear some space :)
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I will keep you posted so I don't drown you in oil. ;)

Do you know of anyone else that is interested in a co-op?
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Mr. Flibble wrote:I will keep you posted so I don't drown you in oil. ;)

Do you know of anyone else that is interested in a co-op?
I don't know of anyone but they can pipe up now if they want :)
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This has been on my list of things to do for about a year and I am in a position now where I can seriously consider a WVO conversion. I do not have the means (space / time) to filter myself, so was going to put the feelers out there to see if there was any interest in a co-op type setup for the Victoria Area. I don't know all the ins-and-outs of the WVO setup yet but would definitely be interested in a co-op.
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Hi all, remember u don't need to do any conversion at all. Just add wvo into your existing fuel via the fuel tank just like adding diesel but cheaper.

My delica L300 luuvvvs WVO, it is much peppier with wvo, and experts agree it gives back the lube that is stripped out of low sulfer diesel.

Just beware you dont want cold weather, as wvo is thicker than diesel so makes hard (impossible) starting. (Yeah, we all remember the group camping trip when we got the sudden cold spell down to minus 15 in the Elaho Valley out of Squamish even though it was warm in Vancouver). At this time of year with our spring warm spell, I would run maybe 5 or 10 percent wvo, in spring/fall 25 percent, in summer 33%. I have gone to 50percent in super hot summer, but the textbooks dont recommend above one third wvo. So if yr planning a ski day, don't put in wvo.

I get my wvo after it is very carefully filtered, and carefully sourced, and the going price is usually half the current price of fuel to buy from someone who has done all the filtering. First it settles in the cube for a few weeks to let water and particles settle, then run thru filters, sits, then gently pumped back into cubes. I get mine in cube, which is 17 liters, which is 1/3 of my automatic delica fuel tank -- hah good planning that, makes the math easy.

Doesnt matter if you add the diesel first or wvo first, it mixes in the tank happily as you drive.

Some people recommend deisel additives even with wvo, I am leary as havent actually mixed any in a glass jar first to see what happens.

If in doubt about cold weather and wvo, just put a cup of wvo in a glass jar (the pasta sauce jars are grand), and in a separate jar put a cup of diesel, leave outside (or in yr fridge), check early in morning by shaking both, if you don't like the thickness of the cold wvo then don't put into yr deli unless you have the heated fuel pump and heated fuel lines (See an old post about 2 yrs ago from Frisch, or go to the plantdrive.ca website for inline fuel heaters info).

So get yr co-op going, the daffodils are blooming.
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Thanks Christine! I am still a bit leery of mixing in an L400 (don't have one yet anyhow) I think only jfarsang has done this on the forum to my knowledge. I had heard some earlier comments about the L400s having issues with mixing fuel when they first came over. I will certainly use this method though if it is safe, but my long term goal is to use diesel to start/purge and WVO for long trips. I generally only drive for going on adventures or to Costco. I am planning on using my deli for going on ski trips - so I am glad you put that warning in there!

So, you have provided me with an excellent solution before I have my WVO kit put on! :) Of course, now I have to just find the L400 that I want and get Mardy to import it.

As for letting the oil settle, the method that Adam uses of heating the oil for 5 hrs at 90 Celsius seems to negate the need for the settling process, but I guess that depends on the setup you have - and given that I am not in my house anymore, I will take what I can get! :)
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Hey,
As for letting the oil settle, the method that Adam uses of heating the oil for 5 hrs at 90 Celsius seems to negate the need for the settling process
I would NOT say negates by any means,I am of the understanding that this process
(5hrs at 90c) is for EDIT: "facilitating particulate and water separation."
All kinds of other crap will settle out given time.Letting a batch settle after a good
heating, you will find lots of stuff including more water separate out quite nicely.

After letting this cool and settle you can pump from the top and leave the undesirable
stuff at the bottom.
This way when it cools the crap stays out of your next stage of filtering,if you are using inline disposable filters it will help them last a lot longer. Sort of decanting if you will.This is dependent on your WVO quality and your system of course. There is more that one way to grease a cat so to speak.

Centrifuging can arguably replace or accelerate the settling process,depending
on the amount of water/crud you wish to remove and the size of your centrifuge bowl/amount to be filtered/how often you clean the bowl
but that is another matter................... :?

I am only posting in defense of the settling process.

Settling is your gravitationally gifted buddy that asks only for time to do a nice job for you.


Right on! 8-)

P.S A nice handy amount of kitty-litter in you van and near your cubies is
still probably the VERY best oily advice I have ever gleaned.
It's not if,it's when you will need it. :-D instead of :-( (thank you BCDelica)
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Luna-Sea wrote:Hey,
As for letting the oil settle, the method that Adam uses of heating the oil for 5 hrs at 90 Celsius seems to negate the need for the settling process
I would NOT say negates by any means,I am of the understanding that this process
(5hrs at 90c) is for de-watering only.
All kinds of other crap will settle out given time.Letting a batch settle after a good
heating, you will find lots of stuff including more water separate out quite nicely.

After letting this cool and settle you can pump from the top and leave the undesirable
stuff at the bottom.
This way when it cools the crap stays out of your next stage of filtering,if you are using inline disposable filters it will help them last a lot longer. Sort of decanting if you will.This is dependent on your WVO quality and your system of course. There is more that one way to grease a cat so to speak.

Centrifuging can arguably replace or accelerate the settling process,depending
on the amount of water/crud you wish to remove and the size of your centrifuge bowl/amount to be filtered/how often you clean the bowl
but that is another matter................... :?

I am only posting in defense of the settling process.

Settling is your gravitationally gifted buddy that asks only for time to do a nice job for you.


Right on! 8-)

P.S A nice handy amount of kitty-litter in you van and near your cubies is
still probably the VERY best oily advice I have ever gleaned.
It's not if,it's when you will need it. :-D instead of :-( (thank you BCDelica)
to be clear, heating to 90c will not dewater, lots of people heat before settling as this helps the water and particles settle out faster. heating only to dewater would require that the oil is hotter than 100c for long enough to boil off all the water in it. this is part of my centrifuge process, I circulate and heat the oil for a while at over 100c to dewater and then run it through the centrifuge.
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Aye Loki!
I should have said "water separate" rather than de-water.

Right On! 8-)
I edited my post,hope it "flows" better now.
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That makes sense. I wondered why Adam posted that he heated to 90 Celsius for 5 hours (I could be totally mis-remembering what he does though, as I have never met him in person!)

When you settle the oils, apart from water, what comes out? If you have run the oil through a filter already, what undesirables remain? Immiscible fats? Particulate matter that the filter missed?
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does the dewatering process at 100C smell a lot? would the neighbors notice?

i thought about setting up a dewatering/filter station on an apartment balcony, but i didn't think the neighbours would like the smell of a deep fryer throughout the week. :? :-D
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