WVO conversion & filtration

[Elbrad]

I've been trepidatious about converting when I get the new Deli.

Glen at CCAutos told me that what I'll save in fuel costs, I'll spend on buying new fuel pumps after the veg oil eats the seals.

Anyone with any experience with this? When last I spoke to Glen, he wouldn't even think about doing conversions.

[rezdiver]

not sure, revenue canada probably has a form for it, but it would be interesting to look into. may not be a problem or an issue at all if you say you are using a percentage since you are using diesel also. wonder how hybrid and electric cars get around the road tax. kind of a kick in the nuts that poor fuel milage cars have to pay the tax for good milage cars.

[rezdiver]

I've been trepidatious about converting when I get the new Deli.

Glen at CCAutos told me that what I'll save in fuel costs, I'll spend on buying new fuel pumps after the veg oil eats the seals.

Anyone with any experience with this? When last I spoke to Glen, he wouldn't even think about doing conversions.

I think you received a bit of wrong info or there was a miscommunication, maybe he was thinking of bio fuel instead of veggie oil. I saved over 2000 last year running WVO (single tank) in my VW motor and my pump is fine.

[nxski]

As long as I'm not spending MORE money I'm ok with it, I drive a lot and image is everything (why celebrities but Prius'). I'll ask when I call revenue Canada to ask about some promotional offers I'm running. Now I need to find an installer and a tank when I get home and everything will be in order.

[nxski]

Well, looks like I'll be getting AndrewH's kit and have him install it. I'm just waiting to hear back if he can provide a receipt and if he can substitute a flate plate heat exchanger for the vegtherm since I have a huge sound system and will be pulling a trailer and don't want to destroy my alternator.

I've also been looking into some supplies for the filtration part and Home Depot has some electric 37.5 gal hot water tanks for $279, paired with some 47.4 gal rain barrel's for $159 which drain a fair ways above the bottom (so as to remove the WVO above the settled particles), a couple pumps, filters, tubing and fittings should be a fairly economical system.
I'm thinking of a set-up like this:

settling rain barrel - filter - pump - hot water tank - filter - pump - storage rain barrell - jerry can - vehicle. Any issues with this?

I'm still hoping to see David's set-up and get a few more idea's. I also got some great input from Manitoba Deli while visiing in Winnipeg.

[jessef]

As long as I'm not spending MORE money I'm ok with it, I drive a lot and image is everything

A word of advice (I'm sure you've heard if before).

For a vehicle like yours, pulling a trailer AND running WVO, put aside a few grand in case your engine packs it in.

From what you've said this is your work truck. If it is, always have a reserve for an emergency unless you can pass time without it while it's being repaired.

For wvo, buy a walbro frb-5 12V 10psi pump and mount it at the wvo fuel tank. This will save you IP from dying.

[nxski]

I'll definitely keep a reserve (well, in the form of a loan). Also, why would the engine pack it in because of the WVO? It's my understanding that the efficiency drops but power increases. I know the fuel pump might but why the engine?

Does Andrew's kit not come with a pump?

[jessef]

2 reasons why you should the FRB5 Walbro (10psi pump)

good : 10psi = 5-6 psi thick WVO in reality

not good : small pumps that put out 6-8psi = 2-4 psi thick WVO in reality

The main reason is if the pump or solenoid dies, it does not shut or limit the flow = pump on or off, fuel flows freely. This is what you want in a WVO in line pump.

It is also serviceable (70-120 micro filters inside) and has a few thousand dry pump hours.

I was referring to the head cracking. no need to point out you don't drive miss daisy your L300 combined with pulling a trailer and it's not the most aerodynamic L300. simply put, you use your L300 as a work vehicle = you need reliability and serviceability but that a discussion that's been hashed over a lot of the years.

[nxski]

Ok, AndrewH's pump just isn't powerful enough?

Yes, the overheating issue, no worries there, I understand the risk.

Please stop insinuating that I mistreat my van though, I'm tired of it since I drive more carefully than the majority of members on here (I've just had it in more extreme conditions).

[jessef]

you got the wrong impression bro. driving miss daisy means you drive 20km/hr 24/7. it wasn't an insinuation that you're hard on your rig.

what's the make/model of the pump you're putting on?

[nxski]

Glad to hear it.

I'm not quite sure about the pump, it sounds like its the same as whatever plantdrive provides if that's any indication!?

[jessef]

according to this kit AndrewH has : http://www.delica.ca/forum/deli-wvo-kit ... -3214.html and on plantdrive's site, neither one comes with an inline wvo pump.

you might want to check on that.

[nxski]

Aha, I suppose I just assumed, I'll add it to the list then.

[BCDelica]

Just a couple of extra ideas to mix it up, ie food for thought;

Are you considering a downflow system for filtering? Otherwise I'd highly recommend a stainless steel, washable cylone, screen filter that would commonly be used on well water systems. The plumbing store called it a sand filter. Higher initial costs but with the right filter it works as a great prefilter with no need to replace the filter media.

Polyethylene blue barrels are everywhere, but I remember my industry days where you did not used a polyethylene product unless it was heat rated product, for a heated liquid. Nothing wrong with blue barrels, but can you confirm you can fill one with 100 to 90 c WVO? And why do they call them cider barrels, and where can I buy 55 gallons of cider?

Had both Delica's I owned alternators rebuilt, the basic power loads were handled fine but the added juice of a 12 v WVO heating and the family using multiple devices really taxed the charging system.

I see from you trip you already have jerry cans, but don't forget that the 16 liter totes and a marine through hull fitting in the lid make a practical, and portable filling solution if your not filling right from storage.

[after oil]

get a raw power centrifuge. this is what i do:
pour wvo from cubies through 400um barrel screen.
pump form barrel into 1000l home heating oil tank for settling. (mine settles about 2 months or more, i have 3x 1000l tanks, two are always full.) my oil is water free and golden at this point, ed from plant drive considers this clean enough for your delica
pump up to 500l gravity feed tank.
gravity feed through centrifuge to final fill up tank (i use a 1000l plastic cube)

avoid steel, sunlight and heat.. these can cause the oil to go rancid
avoid plastic or secure it inside if there are bears or racoons in the area